tramp 2.1.3 compile funkiness

tramp 2.1.3 compile funkiness

[zl]

Hey, group,

Just yesterday compiled tramp.  Got a bunch of errors during the
compile-- see session copy below.  And I've tried all kinds of syntax
and can't get a tramp connection (though I can ssh just fine).

TIA for making my life worth living again... or just getting this
working for me.


# uname -a
Linux dellap 2.6.11.4-21.8-default #1 Tue Jul 19 12:42:37 UTC 2005 i686
i686 i386 GNU/Linux

Here's the files after unpacking (tar xvzf ....):

# ll
tramp-2.1.3:
total 280
drwxr-x---  8 zl   zl     4096 Aug 17 22:21 .
drwxr-x---  6 zl   zl     4096 Aug 17 22:57 ..
-rw-r-----  1 zl   zl       99 Jun  1  2004 .cvsignore
-rw-r-----  1 zl   zl      814 Mar  3  2002 CONTRIBUTORS
-rw-r-----  1 zl   zl    19996 Jan 16  2005 ChangeLog
-rw-r-----  1 zl   zl     4591 Sep 19  2004 INSTALL
-rw-r-----  1 zl   zl     1119 Jan 16  2005 MANIFEST
-rw-r-----  1 root root   7339 Aug 17 22:21 Makefile
-rw-r-----  1 zl   zl     1708 Oct 17  2004 Makefile.XEmacs
-rw-r-----  1 zl   zl     7252 Oct 10  2004 Makefile.in
-rw-r-----  1 zl   zl     1934 Mar 22  2003 README
-rw-r-----  1 zl   zl     1339 Jun  6  2004 README-CVS
-rw-r-----  1 zl   zl     9025 Dec 30  2004 aclocal.m4
-rw-r-----  1 root root   8295 Aug 17 22:21 config.log
-rwxr-x---  1 zl   zl    21790 Aug 17 22:21 config.status
-rwxr-x---  1 zl   zl   110994 Jan 16  2005 configure
-rw-r-----  1 zl   zl     5647 Jan 16  2005 configure.ac
drwxr-x---  2 zl   zl     4096 Aug 17 22:21 contrib
drwxr-x---  2 root root   4096 Aug 17 22:22 info
drwxr-x---  2 zl   zl     4096 Aug 17 22:22 lisp
-rw-r-----  1 zl   zl      465 Oct 17  2004 package-info.in
drwxr-x---  2 zl   zl     4096 Jan 16  2005 test
-rw-r-----  1 zl   zl       35 Jul 14  2003 test.makefile
drwxr-x---  2 zl   zl     4096 Aug 17 22:23 texi
drwxr-x---  2 zl   zl     4096 Jan 16  2005 tramp2
dellap:/home/zl/linux/tarballs # cd tramp
dellap:/home/zl/linux/tarballs/tramp # pwd
/home/zl/linux/tarballs/tramp
dellap:/home/zl/linux/tarballs/tramp # ./configure --with-config
--prefix=/usr/share
configure: Tramp 2.1.3
checking for gmake... gmake
checking for reasonable gmake version... ok
checking whether gmake sets $(MAKE)... yes
checking for emacs... yes
checking for emacs flavor... emacs
checking for emacs version... ok
checking for base64.el... ok
checking for format-spec.el... not found
configure: error: Use --with-contrib for implementation supplied with Tramp
dellap:/home/zl/linux/tarballs/tramp # ./configure --with-contrib
--prefix=/usr/share
configure: Tramp 2.1.3
checking for gmake... gmake
checking for reasonable gmake version... ok
checking whether gmake sets $(MAKE)... yes
checking for emacs... yes
checking for emacs flavor... emacs
checking for emacs version... ok
checking for base64.el... ok
checking for format-spec.el... linked to contrib directory
checking for md5.el... ok
checking for password.el... linked to contrib directory
checking for uudecode.el... ok
checking for run-at-time.el... ok
checking for makeinfo... makeinfo
checking for reasonable makeinfo version... ok
checking for texi2dvi... texi2dvi
checking for reasonable texi2dvi version... ok
checking for install-info... install-info
checking for installation chapter... yes
checking for japanese manual... no
checking prefix... /usr/share
checking datadir... ${prefix}/share
checking lispdir... $(datadir)/emacs/site-lisp
checking infodir... $(prefix)/info
checking for ftp-upload... no
configure: creating ./config.status
config.status: creating Makefile
config.status: creating contrib/Makefile
config.status: creating lisp/Makefile
config.status: creating lisp/trampver.el
config.status: creating texi/Makefile
config.status: creating texi/trampver.texi
dellap:/home/zl/linux/tarballs/tramp # make
make[1]: Entering directory `/home/zl/linux/tarballs/tramp-2.1.3/lisp'
emacs --no-site-file -batch --eval "(add-to-list 'load-path \".\")"  -f
batch-byte-compile  trampver.el
Wrote /home/zl/linux/tarballs/tramp-2.1.3/lisp/trampver.elc
Done
emacs --no-site-file -batch --eval "(add-to-list 'load-path \".\")"  -f
batch-byte-compile  tramp.el
While compiling tramp-handle-insert-directory in file
/home/zl/linux/tarballs/tramp-2.1.3/lisp/tramp.el:
  ** reference to free variable ls-lisp-use-insert-directory-program
While compiling the end of the data in file
/home/zl/linux/tarballs/tramp-2.1.3/lisp/tramp.el:
  ** The following functions are not known to be defined:
    byte-compiler-options, set-file-times
Wrote /home/zl/linux/tarballs/tramp-2.1.3/lisp/tramp.elc
Done
emacs --no-site-file -batch --eval "(add-to-list 'load-path \".\")"  -f
batch-byte-compile  tramp-smb.el
Loading /usr/lib/emacs/21.3/i586-suse-linux/fns-21.3.1.el (source)...
While compiling the end of the data in file
/home/zl/linux/tarballs/tramp-2.1.3/lisp/tramp-smb.el:
  ** The function `byte-compiler-options' is not known to be defined.
Wrote /home/zl/linux/tarballs/tramp-2.1.3/lisp/tramp-smb.elc
Done
emacs --no-site-file -batch --eval "(add-to-list 'load-path \".\")"  -f
batch-byte-compile  tramp-util.el
Loading /usr/lib/emacs/21.3/i586-suse-linux/fns-21.3.1.el (source)...
While compiling the end of the data in file
/home/zl/linux/tarballs/tramp-2.1.3/lisp/tramp-util.el:
  ** The function `add-menu-button' is not known to be defined.
Wrote /home/zl/linux/tarballs/tramp-2.1.3/lisp/tramp-util.elc
Done
emacs --no-site-file -batch --eval "(add-to-list 'load-path \".\")"  -f
batch-byte-compile  tramp-uu.el
Wrote /home/zl/linux/tarballs/tramp-2.1.3/lisp/tramp-uu.elc
Done
emacs --no-site-file -batch --eval "(add-to-list 'load-path \".\")"  -f
batch-byte-compile  tramp-vc.el
Loading /usr/lib/emacs/21.3/i586-suse-linux/fns-21.3.1.el (source)...
While compiling tramp-handle-vc-user-login-name in file
/home/zl/linux/tarballs/tramp-2.1.3/lisp/tramp-vc.el:
  ** file-attributes called with 2 arguments, but accepts only 1
While compiling the end of the data in file
/home/zl/linux/tarballs/tramp-2.1.3/lisp/tramp-vc.el:
  ** The function `byte-compiler-options' is not known to be defined.
Wrote /home/zl/linux/tarballs/tramp-2.1.3/lisp/tramp-vc.elc
Done
emacs --no-site-file -batch --eval "(add-to-list 'load-path \".\")"  -f
batch-byte-compile  trampcache.el
While compiling tramp-cache-set in file
/home/zl/linux/tarballs/tramp-2.1.3/lisp/trampcache.el:
  ** reference to free variable tramp-cache-data
  ** assignment to free variable tramp-cache-data
While compiling tramp-cache-get in file
/home/zl/linux/tarballs/tramp-2.1.3/lisp/trampcache.el:
  ** reference to free variable tramp-cache-data
While compiling the end of the data in file
/home/zl/linux/tarballs/tramp-2.1.3/lisp/trampcache.el:
  ** The function `tramp-get-buffer' is not known to be defined.
Wrote /home/zl/linux/tarballs/tramp-2.1.3/lisp/trampcache.elc
Done
emacs --no-site-file -batch --eval "(add-to-list 'load-path \".\")"  -f
batch-byte-compile  tramp-ftp.el
Loading /usr/lib/emacs/21.3/i586-suse-linux/fns-21.3.1.el (source)...
Wrote /home/zl/linux/tarballs/tramp-2.1.3/lisp/tramp-ftp.elc
Done
emacs --no-site-file -batch --eval "(add-to-list 'load-path \".\")"  -f
batch-byte-compile  password.el
Wrote /home/zl/linux/tarballs/tramp-2.1.3/lisp/password.elc
Done
emacs --no-site-file -batch --eval "(add-to-list 'load-path \".\")"  -f
batch-byte-compile  format-spec.el
Wrote /home/zl/linux/tarballs/tramp-2.1.3/lisp/format-spec.elc
Done
make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/zl/linux/tarballs/tramp-2.1.3/lisp'
make[1]: Entering directory `/home/zl/linux/tarballs/tramp-2.1.3/texi'
makeinfo --no-split --footnote-style=end -D emacs -D  nojamanual \
        -D  installchapter -o ../info/tramp tramp.texi
texi2dvi -b -c -t "@set emacs" -t "@set  nojamanual" -t "@set
installchapter" tramp.texi
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macros,
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localization, and turning on texinfo input format.)
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'[]|
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 []@textrm This func-tion re-turns the host nick-names de-fined by
@texttt Host
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 []@textrm SSH2 pars-ing of di-rec-to-ries `@texttt
/etc/ssh2/hostkeys/*[]@text
rm '[] and `@texttt ~/ssh2/hostkeys/*[]@textrm '[].|
[20] [21] [22] [23]
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@textrm The backup file name of `@texttt
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[24] Chapter 6 [25] [26]
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melancholia[]


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machine@texttt :
@textttsl port@texttt /@textttsl path/to.file[]@textrm '[].|

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[]@textrm The last ex-am-ple from the pre-vi-ous sec-tion would look
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[28] Chapter 7 [29] [30] Chapter 8 [31] [32] [33] [34] [35]
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[36] Chapter 9 [37] [38] [39] Chapter 10 [40] Chapter 11 [41] [42]
(Concept Index) [43] [44] [45] [46] (./tramp.toc [-1]) [-2] )
(see the transcript file for additional information)
Output written on tramp.dvi (50 pages, 120204 bytes).
Transcript written on tramp.log.
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tables, conditionals, indexing, sectioning, toc, environments, defuns,
macros,
cross references, insertions, (/usr/share/texmf/tex/plain/dvips/epsf.tex)
localization, and turning on texinfo input format.) (./tramp.aux)
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Underfull \hbox (badness 10000) in paragraph at lines 353--357
 []@textrm For in-line trans-fers, @textsc tramp @textrm is-sues a
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Underfull \hbox (badness 10000) in paragraph at lines 353--357
 @texttt /path/to/remote/file[]@textrm '[], waits un-til the out-put has
ac-cu-
mu-lated in the
Chapter 2 [2] [3] [4] Chapter 3 [5] [6]
(/home/zl/linux/tarballs/tramp-2.1.3/texi/trampinst.texi
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'[]|
[9]) Chapter 5 [10] [11] [12] [13] [14] [15]
Underfull \hbox (badness 7116) in paragraph at lines 967--972
 @textrm isn't avail-able. In-stead of, you can use UNC file names like

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 @textrm `@texttt //melancholia/daniel$$/.emacs[]@textrm '[]. The only
dis-ad-v
an-tage is that
[16] [17] [18] [19]
Underfull \hbox (badness 10000) in paragraph at lines 1277--1280
 []@textrm This func-tion parses files which are syn-tac-ti-cal
equiv-a-lent to


Underfull \hbox (badness 3240) in paragraph at lines 1277--1280
 @textrm `@texttt ~/.ssh/known_hosts[]@textrm '[]. Since there are no
user name
s spec-i-fied in

Underfull \hbox (badness 2134) in paragraph at lines 1284--1286
 []@textrm This func-tion re-turns the host nick-names de-fined by
@texttt Host
[] @textrm en-tries in

Overfull \hbox (3.18579pt too wide) in paragraph at lines 1290--1293
 []@textrm SSH2 pars-ing of di-rec-to-ries `@texttt
/etc/ssh2/hostkeys/*[]@text
rm '[] and `@texttt ~/ssh2/hostkeys/*[]@textrm '[].|
[20] [21] [22] [23]
Underfull \hbox (badness 10000) in paragraph at lines 1666--1676
@textrm The backup file name of `@texttt
/su:root@localhost:/etc/secretfile[]@t
extrm '[] would be
[24] Chapter 6 [25] [26]
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[]@textrm To log in to the re-mote ma-chine as a spe-cific user, you use
the sy
n-tax

Underfull \hbox (badness 2846) in paragraph at lines 1820--1825
@textrm `@texttt /@textttsl user@texttt @@textttsl machine@texttt
:/@textttsl p
ath/to.file[]@textrm '[]. That means that con-nect-ing to @texttt
melancholia[]


Underfull \hbox (badness 6608) in paragraph at lines 1820--1825
@textrm as @texttt daniel[] @textrm and edit-ing `@texttt
.emacs[]@textrm '[] i
n your home di-rec-tory you would spec-ify
[27]
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[]@textrm Then, a @textsc tramp @textrm file-name would look like this:
`@textt
t /@textttsl method@texttt ://@textttsl user@texttt @@textttsl
machine@texttt :
@textttsl port@texttt /@textttsl path/to.file[]@textrm '[].|

Overfull \hbox (74.0676pt too wide) in paragraph at lines 1870--1872
[]@textrm The last ex-am-ple from the pre-vi-ous sec-tion would look
like this:
 `@texttt /ssh://daniel@melancholia/.emacs[]@textrm '[]. |
[28] Chapter 7 [29] [30] Chapter 8 [31] [32] [33] [34] [35]
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 []@textrm See also the Emacs Wiki (@texttt
http://www.emacswiki.org/cgi-bin/wi
ki/TrampMode[]@textrm )|
[36] Chapter 9 [37] [38] [39] Chapter 10 [40] Chapter 11 [41] [42]
(Concept Index) [43] [44] (./tramp.cps [45]) [46] (./tramp.toc [-1]) [-2] )
(see the transcript file for additional information)
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makeinfo --no-split --html -D emacs -D  nojamanual -D  installchapter -o
tramp-emacs.html tramp.texi
makeinfo --no-split --html -D xemacs -D  nojamanual -D  installchapter
-o tramp-xemacs.html tramp.texi
rm -f tramp.html
ln -s tramp-emacs.html tramp.html
make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/zl/linux/tarballs/tramp-2.1.3/texi'
dellap:/home/zl/linux/tarballs/tramp # make install
make[1]: Entering directory `/home/zl/linux/tarballs/tramp-2.1.3/lisp'
mkdir -p /usr/share/share/emacs/site-lisp
install -m644 trampver.el tramp.el tramp-smb.el tramp-util.el
tramp-uu.el tramp-vc.el trampcache.el tramp-ftp.el password.el
format-spec.el  trampver.elc tramp.elc tramp-smb.elc tramp-util.elc
tramp-uu.elc tramp-vc.elc trampcache.elc tramp-ftp.elc password.elc
format-spec.elc /usr/share/share/emacs/site-lisp
make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/zl/linux/tarballs/tramp-2.1.3/lisp'
make[1]: Entering directory `/home/zl/linux/tarballs/tramp-2.1.3/texi'
install -m644 ../info/tramp  /usr/share/info
make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/zl/linux/tarballs/tramp-2.1.3/texi'
dellap:/home/zl/linux/tarballs/tramp #



-- 
A lot of us are working harder than we want, at things we don't like to
do.  Why? ...In order to afford the sort of existence we don't care to live.
	-- Bradford Angier

Re: tramp 2.1.3 compile funkiness

[Peter Dyballa]

Am 18.08.2005 um 23:38 schrieb zl:

> Got a bunch of errors during the compile-- see session copy below.

There are no errors -- just usual messages that come from the fact that 
Lisp is late-binding? (I just don't remember the exact term -- did you 
never compile an Emacs or one of its packages yourself?). TeX ran in 
perfection ...

--
Mit friedvollen Grüßen

   Pete

Never be led astray onto the path of virtue.

Re: tramp 2.1.3 compile funkiness

[Michael Albinus]

zl <gebser@speakeasy.net> writes:

> Hey, group,

Hi,

> Just yesterday compiled tramp.  Got a bunch of errors during the
> compile-- see session copy below.  And I've tried all kinds of syntax

As Peter already wrote, this are warnings only. Nasty (we should
decrease the noise in make), but nothing serious AFAICS.

> and can't get a tramp connection (though I can ssh just fine).

Here we would need more details. Which filename syntax did you apply
(example)?  Are there error messages, or just a hanging Emacs?

If you believe you did everything right, you could submit a bug report
with "M-x tramp-submit-bug". It will contain more information for
analysis.

> TIA for making my life worth living again... or just getting this
> working for me.

Best regards, Michael.

Re: tramp 2.1.3 compile funkiness

[ken]

Michael Albinus wrote:
> zl <gebser@speakeasy.net> writes:
> 
> 
>>Just yesterday compiled tramp.  Got a bunch of errors during the
>>compile-- see session copy below.  And I've tried all kinds of syntax
> 
> As Peter already wrote, this are warnings only. Nasty (we should
> decrease the noise in make), but nothing serious AFAICS.
> 
>>and can't get a tramp connection (though I can ssh just fine).
> 
> Here we would need more details. Which filename syntax did you apply
> (example)?  Are there error messages, or just a hanging Emacs?

[user@host]/filename	[=> create (local) subdirectory]

[user@host]:/filename	[=> create (local) subdirectory]

[user@host.domain.tld]:/filename	[=> create (local) subdirectory]

[user@host.domain.tld]:filename	[=> create (local) subdirectory]

/user@host.domain.tld:/path/filename [=> ftp failure]

/[user@host.domain.tld]:~/filename [=> ftp failure]

/[user@host.domain.tld]/path/file	[=> create (local) subdirectory]

In the case of the ftp failure message, I'm promted for a password
first, then the ftp failure message comes up.  I believe that emacs is
trying to do ange-ftp.

In the case of the "create directory" errors, emacs (I'm guessing) is
trying to create a file on the local machine.

So does anyone know the correct syntax for tramp these days?

tnx,
ken








> 
> If you believe you did everything right, you could submit a bug report
> with "M-x tramp-submit-bug". It will contain more information for
> analysis.
> 
>>TIA for making my life worth living again... or just getting this
>>working for me.
> 
> Best regards, Michael.
> 

-- 
A lot of us are working harder than we want, at things we don't like to
do.  Why? ...In order to afford the sort of existence we don't care to live.
	-- Bradford Angier

Re: tramp 2.1.3 compile funkiness

[rgb]

FWIW, I use ange-ftp all day every day.
Starting about 2 weeks ago I'm unable to connect using the
CVS version.  But since I've got my own mods for Guardian
host support plugged in I can't say if some change requires
me to update my mods or if it's just broke.  The CVS version
as of 7 Aug works fine so I'm using that until I have time
to figure out whats wrong.  I don't have access to a host
that talks to vanilla ange-ftp.

Try the older version of ange-ftp and if it starts working
for you it will save me a whole lot of trouble ;-)

Re: tramp 2.1.3 compile funkiness

[Michael Albinus]

ken <gebser@speakeasy.net> writes:

> [user@host]/filename	[=> create (local) subdirectory]
>
> [user@host]:/filename	[=> create (local) subdirectory]
>
> [user@host.domain.tld]:/filename	[=> create (local) subdirectory]
>
> [user@host.domain.tld]:filename	[=> create (local) subdirectory]
>
> /user@host.domain.tld:/path/filename [=> ftp failure]
>
> /[user@host.domain.tld]:~/filename [=> ftp failure]
>
> /[user@host.domain.tld]/path/file	[=> create (local) subdirectory]

I assume you are using GNU Emacs. XEmacs has a different filename
syntax, and both could be configured to use the "other" syntax, but we
don't want to complicate it already at the beginning ...  If you want
to prove it, you might check via "C-h v tramp-syntax". The result
should be "ftp".

This case, /user@host.domain.tld:/path/filename would be OK. Taking
ange-ftp instead of could mean that Tramp isn't loaded. You can check
it with "M-: (featurep 'tramp)", which should return "t". Anyway, it
might be a good idea to put "(require 'tramp)" in your .emacs, given
the load-path includes the Tramp lisp directory.

If that is fine, there might be a problem with the chosen method. Per
default, it should be "ssh". You can prove it with "C-h v
tramp-default-method". But there are some exceptions, you'll see them
with "C-h v tramp-default-method-alist". Read the explanation what
they are good for.

If all these settings are too nasty for you, you might give the method
explicitely. /ssh:user@host.domain.tld:/path/filename should guide you
to your target.

> tnx,
> ken

Best regards, Michael.

tramp2 not loading (?) (was: Re: tramp 2.1.3 compile funkiness)

[ken]

On Sat, 27 Aug 2005 22:14:31 +0200
Michael Albinus <michael.albinus@gmx.de> wrote:

> ken <gebser@speakeasy.net> writes:
> 
> > ....
> >
> > /[user@host.domain.tld]:~/filename [=> ftp failure]
> >
> > /[user@host.domain.tld]/path/file	[=> create (local) subdirectory]
> 
> I assume you are using GNU Emacs. 

Correct.

I should also amend:  I'm actually using tramp2 
(if that makes a difference). 

# ll /usr/share/emacs/site-lisp/tramp2/
total 132
drwxr-x---  2 zl   zl    4096 Jan 16  2005 .
drwxr-xr-x  7 root root  4096 Sep  1 12:25 ..
-rw-r-----  1 zl   zl    2063 Dec  6  2001 tramp2-cache.el
-rw-r-----  1 zl   zl    3217 Dec  6  2001 tramp2-compat.el
-rw-r-----  1 zl   zl    5845 Dec  6  2001 tramp2-enc.el
-rw-r-----  1 zl   zl    2932 Dec  6  2001 tramp2-hack.el
-rw-r-----  1 zl   zl   29105 Dec  6  2001 tramp2-ops.el
-rw-r-----  1 zl   zl    5257 Dec  6  2001 tramp2-util.el
-rw-r-----  1 zl   zl   61138 Dec  6  2001 tramp2.el


> .... If you want
> to prove it, you might check via "C-h v tramp-syntax". The result
> should be "ftp".

"C-h v tramp-syntax RETURN" says "[No match]".

"C-h v tramp2-syntax RETURN" also says "[No match]".


> This case, /user@host.domain.tld:/path/filename would be OK. Taking
> ange-ftp instead of could mean that Tramp isn't loaded. You can check
> it with "M-: (featurep 'tramp)", which should return "t". 

It returns "nil", but "M-: (featurep 'tramp2)" returns 't'.  



> Anyway, it
> might be a good idea to put "(require 'tramp)" in your .emacs, given
> the load-path includes the Tramp lisp directory.

This is in my ~/.emacs:

(add-to-list 'load-path "/usr/share/emacs/site-lisp/tramp2/")
(require 'tramp2)

In fact, I did "C-x C-e" with the point at the end of each line
immediately before trying to open a remote file.  Still no go.

Does emacs have any other diagnostics  I can run which would help 
figure this out?


> ....

Michael, thanks very much for your help.


-- 
A lot of us are working harder than we want, at things we don't like to
do.  Why? ...In order to afford the sort of existence we don't care to live.
	-- Bradford Angier

Re: tramp2 not loading (?)

[Michael Albinus]

ken <gebser@speakeasy.net> writes:

> I should also amend:  I'm actually using tramp2 
> (if that makes a difference). 

It does. tramp2 is a code basis which hasn't been completed (and
nobody is working on it actively). So please use the code under
<tramp path>/lisp.

> # ll /usr/share/emacs/site-lisp/tramp2/

That's surprising. I believe Tramp's Makefile doesn't install tramp2
anywhere. How did you get it at this location?

Best regards, Michael.

Re: tramp2 not loading (?)

[ken]

On Fri, 02 Sep 2005 09:48:54 +0200
Michael Albinus <michael.albinus@gmx.de> wrote:

> ken <gebser@speakeasy.net> writes:
> 
> > I should also amend:  I'm actually using tramp2 
> > (if that makes a difference). 
> 
> It does. tramp2 is a code basis which hasn't been completed (and
> nobody is working on it actively). So please use the code under
> <tramp path>/lisp.

Okay.  That seems to be the problem.  Since deleting the tramp2
directory under site-lisp, I don't have any tramp files anymore.  It
looks like I'm starting over with tramp.

What/which tramp version should I use?  I don't remember where I got the
tramp2 tarball, just that I got it fairly recently... within the past
couple of months.  I'm running Suse 9.3 Pro and would prefer an
appropriate RPM so that the install data is put into the RPM database. 
Failing such a package, I wouldn't be averse to using the old-style
tarred-up package.



> 
> > # ll /usr/share/emacs/site-lisp/tramp2/
> 
> That's surprising. I believe Tramp's Makefile doesn't install tramp2
> anywhere. How did you get it at this location?

When I compiled the source, the resulting code appeared under the subdir
where the tarball was unpacked to (under a user home directory).  Since
it wasn't going to run from there, I moved it manually to under
/usr/share/emacs/site-lisp/.


> 
> Best regards, Michael.

Thanks again for the help.
ken

-- 
A lot of us are working harder than we want, at things we don't like to
do.  Why? ...In order to afford the sort of existence we don't care to
live.	-- Bradford Angier

Re: tramp2 not loading (?)

[Michael Albinus]

ken <gebser@speakeasy.net> writes:

> What/which tramp version should I use?  I don't remember where I got the
> tramp2 tarball, just that I got it fairly recently... within the past
> couple of months.  I'm running Suse 9.3 Pro and would prefer an
> appropriate RPM so that the install data is put into the RPM database. 
> Failing such a package, I wouldn't be averse to using the old-style
> tarred-up package.

I don't know a Tramp RPM package (which doesn't mean anything, 'cause
I'm using Debian).

Tramp tarballs can be found at <http://ftp.gnu.org/gnu/tramp/>. The
stable release is 2.0 (2.0.50 the recent one). Tramp 2.1 is the
developer release. Don't mix this scheme with the subdirectory
"tramp2" in the tarball. Installation instructions are in file INSTALL.

> Thanks again for the help.
> ken

Best regards, Michael.

Re: tramp 2.1.3 compile funkiness

[rgb]

> Starting about 2 weeks ago I'm unable to connect using the
> CVS version.  But since I've got my own mods for Guardian
> host support plugged in I can't say if some change requires
> me to update my mods or if it's just broke.  The CVS version
> as of 7 Aug works fine so I'm using that until I have time
> to figure out whats wrong.  I don't have access to a host
> that talks to vanilla ange-ftp.
>
> Try the older version of ange-ftp and if it starts working
> for you it will save me a whole lot of trouble ;-)

I don't know about the OP's but the one I mention above
was a bug and it's been tracked down and fixed.
I've not checked if the fix has made it to CVS yet but if
not it should be there soon.

Re: tramp not loading (?)

[ken]

Starting over.  I removed (by hand) the tramp2 installed earlier and
installed (from tramp.el):

;; Version: $Id: tramp.el,v 2.95 2002/04/10 17:16:25 kaig Exp $

Untarred under my home, then copied them to the traditional place for a
system-wide install:

/usr/share/emacs/site-lisp/tramp # ll
total 264
drwxr-x---  2 root root   4096 Sep 10 22:43 .
drwxr-xr-x  7 root root   4096 Sep 10 22:42 ..
-rw-rw----  1 6104 6100   1953 Mar  3  2002 tramp-util.el
-rw-r-----  1 6104 6100  19658 Dec 29  2001 tramp-vc.el
-rw-r-----  1 6104 6100 225748 Apr 10  2002 tramp.el
-rw-rw----  1 6104 6100   3480 Feb 28  2001 trampcache.el

Put this into my ~/.emacs:

(add-to-list 'load-path "/usr/share/emacs/site-lisp/tramp/")
(require 'tramp)	;errors out

Put the point after the closing paren of each line and did "C-x C-e"

The first properly displayed the load-path in the echo area, but the
second yeilded this pile of confusion:

<snip>
Debugger entered--Lisp error: (file-error "Cannot open load file"
"tramp")  require(tramp)
  eval((require (quote tramp)))
  eval-last-sexp-1(nil)
  eval-last-sexp(nil)
  call-interactively(eval-last-sexp)
  recursive-edit()
  byte-code("Æ\b!ˆÇ ˆÈ	!ˆ\nƒ?
Éed\"\vVƒ4ebˆÊ\v¥yˆ`\x1cdbˆÊ\v¥\vZyˆ\f`|ˆ)ËcˆebˆÌÍ !ˆÎ ˆ	@Ï=ƒKÐÑÒ\"ˆÓ ˆÌÔ
!ˆÒÕÒ\x1d\x1e\x17\x1e\x18ÌÔ!ˆŠÖ ˆ,Õ‡" [debugger-buffer debugger-args noninteractive
debugger-batch-max-lines middlestart buffer-read-only pop-to-buffer
debugger-mode debugger-setup-buffer count-lines 2 "...\n" message
buffer-string kill-emacs debug backtrace-debug 3 t debugger-reenable ""
nil recursive-edit standard-output inhibit-trace] 3)  debug(error
(file-error "Cannot open load file" "tramp"))  require(tramp)
  eval((require (quote tramp)))
  eval-last-sexp-1(nil)
  eval-last-sexp(nil)
  call-interactively(eval-last-sexp)
  recursive-edit()
  byte-code("Æ\b!ˆÇ ˆÈ	!ˆ\nƒ?
Éed\"\vVƒ4ebˆÊ\v¥yˆ`\x1cdbˆÊ\v¥\vZyˆ\f`|ˆ)ËcˆebˆÌÍ !ˆÎ ˆ	@Ï=ƒKÐÑÒ\"ˆÓ ˆÌÔ
!ˆÒÕÒ\x1d\x1e\x17\x1e\x18ÌÔ!ˆŠÖ ˆ,Õ‡" [debugger-buffer debugger-args noninteractive
debugger-batch-max-lines middlestart buffer-read-only pop-to-buffer
debugger-mode debugger-setup-buffer count-lines 2 "...\n" message
buffer-string kill-emacs debug backtrace-debug 3 t debugger-reenable ""
nil recursive-edit standard-output inhibit-trace] 3)  debug(error
(file-error "Cannot open load file" "tramp"))  require(tramp)
  eval((require (quote tramp)))
  eval-last-sexp-1(nil)
  eval-last-sexp(nil)
  call-interactively(eval-last-sexp)
  recursive-edit()
  byte-code("Æ\b!ˆÇ ˆÈ	!ˆ\nƒ?
Éed\"\vVƒ4ebˆÊ\v¥yˆ`\x1cdbˆÊ\v¥\vZyˆ\f`|ˆ)ËcˆebˆÌÍ !ˆÎ ˆ	@Ï=ƒKÐÑÒ\"ˆÓ ˆÌÔ
!ˆÒÕÒ\x1d\x1e\x17\x1e\x18ÌÔ!ˆŠÖ ˆ,Õ‡" [debugger-buffer debugger-args noninteractive
debugger-batch-max-lines middlestart buffer-read-only pop-to-buffer
debugger-mode debugger-setup-buffer count-lines 2 "...\n" message
buffer-string kill-emacs debug backtrace-debug 3 t debugger-reenable ""
nil recursive-edit standard-output inhibit-trace] 3)  debug(error
(file-error "Cannot open load file" "tramp"))  require(tramp)
  eval((require (quote tramp)))
  eval-last-sexp-1(nil)
  eval-last-sexp(nil)
  call-interactively(eval-last-sexp)
  recursive-edit()
  byte-code("Æ\b!ˆÇ ˆÈ	!ˆ\nƒ?-Éed\"\vVƒ4ebˆÊ\v¥yˆ`\x1cdbˆÊ\v¥\vZyˆ\f`|ˆ)Ëcˆebˆ
ÌÍ !ˆÎ ˆ	@Ï=ƒÐÑÒ\"ˆÓ ˆÌÔ!ˆÒÕÒ\x1d\x1e\x17\x1e\x18ÌÔ!ˆŠÖ ˆ,Õ‡" [debugger-buffer
debugger-args noninteractive debugger-batch-max-lines middlestart
buffer-read-only pop-to-buffer debugger-mode debugger-setup-buffer
count-lines 2 "...\n" message buffer-string kill-emacs debug
backtrace-debug 3 t debugger-reenable "" nil recursive-edit
standard-output inhibit-trace] 3)  debug(error (file-error "Cannot open
load file" "tramp"))  require(tramp)
  eval((require (quote tramp)))
  eval-last-sexp-1(nil)
  eval-last-sexp(nil)
  call-interactively(eval-last-sexp)
  recursive-edit()
  byte-code("Æ\b!ˆÇ ˆÈ	!ˆ\nƒ?K-Éed\"\vVƒ4ebˆÊ\v¥yˆ`\x1cdbˆÊ\v¥\vZyˆ\f`|ˆ)Ëcˆ
ebˆÌÍ !ˆÎ ˆ	@Ï=ƒÐÑÒ\"ˆÓ ˆÌÔ!ˆÒÕÒ\x1d\x1e\x17\x1e\x18ÌÔ!ˆŠÖ ˆ,Õ‡" [debugger-buffer
debugger-args noninteractive debugger-batch-max-lines middlestart
buffer-read-only pop-to-buffer debugger-mode debugger-setup-buffer
count-lines 2 "...\n" message buffer-string kill-emacs debug
backtrace-debug 3 t debugger-reenable "" nil recursive-edit
standard-output inhibit-trace] 3)  debug(error (file-error "Cannot open
load file" "tramp"))  require(tramp)
  eval((require (quote tramp)))
  eval-last-sexp-1(nil)
  eval-last-sexp(nil)
  call-interactively(eval-last-sexp)

</snip>

Just to make sure the above *Backtrace* wasn't lying to me, I tried "C-x
C-f" and used the format /user@host.domain.tld:.emacs and, as expected,
emacs tried to use ange-ftp.

The version of emacs I'm using, if it matters, is 21.3.1.

Anyone know what's going on here?


tia,
ken

Re: tramp not loading (?)

[Michael Albinus]

ken <gebser@speakeasy.net> writes:

> Starting over.  I removed (by hand) the tramp2 installed earlier and
> installed (from tramp.el):
>
> ;; Version: $Id: tramp.el,v 2.95 2002/04/10 17:16:25 kaig Exp $

Oh my god, that's pretty old. Please take Tramp 2.0.50 from
<http://ftp.gnu.org/gnu/tramp/>. 

> tia,
> ken

Best regards, Michael.

Re: tramp not loading (?)

[Kevin Rodgers]

ken wrote:
 > Starting over.  I removed (by hand) the tramp2 installed earlier and
 > installed (from tramp.el):
 >
 > ;; Version: $Id: tramp.el,v 2.95 2002/04/10 17:16:25 kaig Exp $
 >
 > Untarred under my home, then copied them to the traditional place for a
 > system-wide install:
 >
 > /usr/share/emacs/site-lisp/tramp # ll
 > total 264
 > drwxr-x---  2 root root   4096 Sep 10 22:43 .
 > drwxr-xr-x  7 root root   4096 Sep 10 22:42 ..
 > -rw-rw----  1 6104 6100   1953 Mar  3  2002 tramp-util.el
 > -rw-r-----  1 6104 6100  19658 Dec 29  2001 tramp-vc.el
 > -rw-r-----  1 6104 6100 225748 Apr 10  2002 tramp.el
 > -rw-rw----  1 6104 6100   3480 Feb 28  2001 trampcache.el
 >
 > Put this into my ~/.emacs:
 >
 > (add-to-list 'load-path "/usr/share/emacs/site-lisp/tramp/")
 > (require 'tramp)	;errors out
 >
 > Put the point after the closing paren of each line and did "C-x C-e"
 >
 > The first properly displayed the load-path in the echo area, but the
 > second yeilded this pile of confusion:
 >
 > <snip>
 > Debugger entered--Lisp error: (file-error "Cannot open load file" 
"tramp")
 >   require(tramp)
 >   eval((require (quote tramp)))
 >   eval-last-sexp-1(nil)
 >   eval-last-sexp(nil)
 >   call-interactively(eval-last-sexp)

Is your uid 6104 or your gid 6100?  Because that is the only user and
group allowed to read the tramp*.el files in your
/usr/share/emacs/site-lisp/tramp directory.

-- 
Kevin Rodgers

Re: tramp not loading (?)

[Chris McMahan]

In a similar thread...

Has ANYONE managed to get tramp to work with Cygwin on an XP box using
the non-cygwin version of emacs?

- Chris


Kevin Rodgers <ihs_4664@yahoo.com> writes:

> ken wrote:
>  > Starting over.  I removed (by hand) the tramp2 installed earlier and
>  > installed (from tramp.el):
>  >
>  > ;; Version: $Id: tramp.el,v 2.95 2002/04/10 17:16:25 kaig Exp $
>  >
>  > Untarred under my home, then copied them to the traditional place for a
>  > system-wide install:
>  >
>  > /usr/share/emacs/site-lisp/tramp # ll
>  > total 264
>  > drwxr-x---  2 root root   4096 Sep 10 22:43 .
>  > drwxr-xr-x  7 root root   4096 Sep 10 22:42 ..
>  > -rw-rw----  1 6104 6100   1953 Mar  3  2002 tramp-util.el
>  > -rw-r-----  1 6104 6100  19658 Dec 29  2001 tramp-vc.el
>  > -rw-r-----  1 6104 6100 225748 Apr 10  2002 tramp.el
>  > -rw-rw----  1 6104 6100   3480 Feb 28  2001 trampcache.el
>  >
>  > Put this into my ~/.emacs:
>  >
>  > (add-to-list 'load-path "/usr/share/emacs/site-lisp/tramp/")
>  > (require 'tramp)	;errors out
>  >
>  > Put the point after the closing paren of each line and did "C-x C-e"
>  >
>  > The first properly displayed the load-path in the echo area, but the
>  > second yeilded this pile of confusion:
>  >
>  > <snip>
>  > Debugger entered--Lisp error: (file-error "Cannot open load file"
>    "tramp")
>  >   require(tramp)
>  >   eval((require (quote tramp)))
>  >   eval-last-sexp-1(nil)
>  >   eval-last-sexp(nil)
>  >   call-interactively(eval-last-sexp)
>
> Is your uid 6104 or your gid 6100?  Because that is the only user and
> group allowed to read the tramp*.el files in your
> /usr/share/emacs/site-lisp/tramp directory.
>
> -- 
> Kevin Rodgers
>
>
>

-- 
     (.   .)
  =ooO=(_)=Ooo========================
  Chris McMahan | cmcmahan-at-one.net
  ====================================

RE: tramp not loading (?)

[Drew Adams]

Not I, in any case. 
I tried, with help from Kai Grossjohann, but we were unsuccessful.

 - Drew
    
    Has ANYONE managed to get tramp to work with Cygwin on an XP box using
    the non-cygwin version of emacs?
    
    - Chris

Re: tramp not loading (?)

[Enila Nero]

Chris McMahan <first_initiallastname@one.dot.net> writes:

> In a similar thread...
>
> Has ANYONE managed to get tramp to work with Cygwin on an XP box using
> the non-cygwin version of emacs?

Gave up on it.  Happily using Putty

http://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~sgtatham/putty/ 

Bye.

>
> - Chris
>
>
> Kevin Rodgers <ihs_4664@yahoo.com> writes:
>
>> ken wrote:
>>  > Starting over.  I removed (by hand) the tramp2 installed earlier and
>>  > installed (from tramp.el):
>>  >
>>  > ;; Version: $Id: tramp.el,v 2.95 2002/04/10 17:16:25 kaig Exp $
>>  >
>>  > Untarred under my home, then copied them to the traditional place for a
>>  > system-wide install:
>>  >
>>  > /usr/share/emacs/site-lisp/tramp # ll
>>  > total 264
>>  > drwxr-x---  2 root root   4096 Sep 10 22:43 .
>>  > drwxr-xr-x  7 root root   4096 Sep 10 22:42 ..
>>  > -rw-rw----  1 6104 6100   1953 Mar  3  2002 tramp-util.el
>>  > -rw-r-----  1 6104 6100  19658 Dec 29  2001 tramp-vc.el
>>  > -rw-r-----  1 6104 6100 225748 Apr 10  2002 tramp.el
>>  > -rw-rw----  1 6104 6100   3480 Feb 28  2001 trampcache.el
>>  >
>>  > Put this into my ~/.emacs:
>>  >
>>  > (add-to-list 'load-path "/usr/share/emacs/site-lisp/tramp/")
>>  > (require 'tramp)	;errors out
>>  >
>>  > Put the point after the closing paren of each line and did "C-x C-e"
>>  >
>>  > The first properly displayed the load-path in the echo area, but the
>>  > second yeilded this pile of confusion:
>>  >
>>  > <snip>
>>  > Debugger entered--Lisp error: (file-error "Cannot open load file"
>>    "tramp")
>>  >   require(tramp)
>>  >   eval((require (quote tramp)))
>>  >   eval-last-sexp-1(nil)
>>  >   eval-last-sexp(nil)
>>  >   call-interactively(eval-last-sexp)
>>
>> Is your uid 6104 or your gid 6100?  Because that is the only user and
>> group allowed to read the tramp*.el files in your
>> /usr/share/emacs/site-lisp/tramp directory.
>>
>> -- 
>> Kevin Rodgers
>>
>>
>>
>
> -- 
>      (.   .)
>   =ooO=(_)=Ooo========================
>   Chris McMahan | cmcmahan-at-one.net
>   ====================================

Re: tramp not loading (?)... ftp session instead

[ken]

On Fri, 16 Sep 2005 09:44:36 -0600
Kevin Rodgers <ihs_4664@yahoo.com> wrote:

> ken wrote:
>  > ....
>  >
>  > /usr/share/emacs/site-lisp/tramp # ll
>  > total 264
>  > drwxr-x---  2 root root   4096 Sep 10 22:43 .
>  > drwxr-xr-x  7 root root   4096 Sep 10 22:42 ..
>  > -rw-rw----  1 6104 6100   1953 Mar  3  2002 tramp-util.el
>  > -rw-r-----  1 6104 6100  19658 Dec 29  2001 tramp-vc.el
>  > -rw-r-----  1 6104 6100 225748 Apr 10  2002 tramp.el
>  > -rw-rw----  1 6104 6100   3480 Feb 28  2001 trampcache.el
>  >
>  > ...
> 
> Is your uid 6104 or your gid 6100?  Because that is the only user and
> group allowed to read the tramp*.el files in your
> /usr/share/emacs/site-lisp/tramp directory.

Good catch, Kevin.  Thanks.  Rookie mistake on my part.

Okay, I changed the owner and group to root and did a "chmod 755 *" on
the directory.  Now all of this works:

(add-to-list 'load-path "/usr/share/emacs/site-lisp/tramp/")
(require 'tramp)

i.e., putting the point at the end of each line and doing C-x  C-e
doesn't bring up the debugger.  Thanks!!

But still, when I do "C-x C-f /user@host.domain.tld:~/.bashrc", emacs
tries to open an ftp session.

It might not be related, or maybe it is, but at the end of ~/.emacs is a
hugely long line (stuck in there by Options or something).  It's
probably going to wrap in this email, but, as said, in ~/.emacs it's all
on one line (12,160 chars long!!):

 '(tramp-methods (quote (("rcp" (tramp-connection-function
tramp-open-connection-rsh) (tramp-rsh-program "rsh") (tramp-rcp-program
"rcp") (tramp-remote-sh "/bin/sh") (tramp-rsh-args nil) (tramp-rcp-args
nil) (tramp-rcp-keep-date-arg "-p") (tramp-su-program nil)
(tramp-su-args nil) (tramp-encoding-command nil) (tramp-decoding-command
nil) (tramp-encoding-function nil) (tramp-decoding-function nil)
(tramp-telnet-program nil) (tramp-telnet-args nil)) ("scp"
(tramp-connection-function tramp-open-connection-rsh) (tramp-rsh-program
"ssh") (tramp-rcp-program "scp") (tramp-remote-sh "/bin/sh")
(tramp-rsh-args ("-e" "none")) (tramp-rcp-args nil)
(tramp-rcp-keep-date-arg "-p") (tramp-su-program nil) (tramp-su-args
nil) (tramp-encoding-command nil) (tramp-decoding-command nil)
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(tramp-telnet-program nil) (tramp-telnet-args nil)) ("suu"
(tramp-connection-function tramp-open-connection-su) (tramp-rsh-program
nil) (tramp-rcp-program nil) (tramp-remote-sh "/bin/sh") (tramp-rsh-args
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uudecode -o - 2>/dev/null || uudecode -p 2>/dev/null )")
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(tramp-su-program "sudo") (tramp-su-args ("-u" "%u" "-s"))
(tramp-encoding-command "uuencode xxx") (tramp-decoding-command "(
uudecode -o - 2>/dev/null || uudecode -p 2>/dev/null )")
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(tramp-encoding-function base64-encode-region) (tramp-decoding-function
base64-decode-region) (tramp-telnet-program nil) (tramp-telnet-args
nil)))))

This is part of:

(custom-set-variables
  ;; custom-set-variables was added by Custom -- don't edit or cut/paste
it!

So how do I do get rid of this?  Or at least shorten it?  Or should I
just leave it?  A lot of it looks redundant.


Thanks again.
ken

-- 
A lot of us are working harder than we want, at things we don't like to
do.  Why? ...In order to afford the sort of existence we don't care to
live.	-- Bradford Angier

Re: tramp not loading (?)

[Michael Albinus]

Chris McMahan <first_initiallastname@one.dot.net> writes:

> In a similar thread...
>
> Has ANYONE managed to get tramp to work with Cygwin on an XP box using
> the non-cygwin version of emacs?

I gave up. In the Tramp 2.0.50 manual, I wrote:

   The recent Cygwin installation of `ssh' works only with a Cygwinized
GNU Emacs.  You can check it by typing `M-x eshell', and starting `ssh
test.machine'.  The problem is evident if you see a message like this:

     Pseudo-terminal will not be allocated because stdin is not a terminal.

> - Chris

Best regards, Michael.