From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Arash Esbati Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: 64 bit official Windows builds Date: Fri, 08 Jan 2016 22:42:20 +0100 Message-ID: References: <2577057e-98d3-41ce-ade2-1496648b09c3@googlegroups.com> <837fk3m141.fsf@gnu.org> <87bn9evefh.fsf@wanadoo.es> <83r3ialic7.fsf@gnu.org> <8360z4qvtj.fsf@gnu.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1452289425 32667 80.91.229.3 (8 Jan 2016 21:43:45 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 8 Jan 2016 21:43:45 +0000 (UTC) To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Jan 08 22:43:36 2016 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1aHeoo-0002pO-0Q for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Fri, 08 Jan 2016 22:43:34 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:38192 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aHeon-0003Vw-6T for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Fri, 08 Jan 2016 16:43:33 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:53719) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aHeod-0003Vd-3G for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 08 Jan 2016 16:43:24 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aHeoZ-00063D-TF for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 08 Jan 2016 16:43:23 -0500 Original-Received: from plane.gmane.org ([80.91.229.3]:33439) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aHeoZ-000636-ME for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 08 Jan 2016 16:43:19 -0500 Original-Received: from list by plane.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1aHeoS-0002Un-HS for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 08 Jan 2016 22:43:12 +0100 Original-Received: from pd9f933b4.dip0.t-ipconnect.de ([217.249.51.180]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Fri, 08 Jan 2016 22:43:12 +0100 Original-Received: from esbati by pd9f933b4.dip0.t-ipconnect.de with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Fri, 08 Jan 2016 22:43:12 +0100 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Mail-Followup-To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-Lines: 69 Original-X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: pd9f933b4.dip0.t-ipconnect.de Mail-Copies-To: never User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/25.0.50 X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-Received-From: 80.91.229.3 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:108662 Archived-At: Eli Zaretskii writes: >> From: Arash Esbati >> Date: Thu, 07 Jan 2016 23:47:00 +0100 >> >> I think that providing bare Emacs binaries without the corresponding >> dll's is not really user friendly. I build Emacs on my Win 64bit >> machine with Msys2/MinGW-w64 and it would be pain if I had to collect all >> dll's myself somehow. > > If you build your own Emacs, you already have all those DLLs > installed, right? So you don't need to collect them, right? My apologies for the unclear sentence. I meant: I build Emacs on my Win 64bit machine with Msys2/MinGW-w64 and have access to the necessary DLLs; it would be a pain if I only had bare Emacs binaries and had to collect all those DLLs myself somehow. >> [...] >> So one could say: Consult the PKGBUILD files for the sources >> (incl. dependencies) for >> >> - mingw-w64-libtiff >> - mingw-w64-giflib >> - mingw-w64-libpng >> - mingw-w64-libjpeg-turbo >> - mingw-w64-librsvg >> - mingw-w64-libxml2 >> - mingw-w64-gnutls >> - mingw-w64-xpm-nox > > No, this compromise contradicts the GPL. The sources must be > available from the same place as the binaries, Hmm, I read the FAQ differently: --8<---------------cut here---------------start------------->8--- Can I put the binaries on my Internet server and put the source on a different Internet site? (#SourceAndBinaryOnDifferentSites) Yes. Section 6(d) allows this. However, you must provide clear instructions people can follow to obtain the source, and you must take care to make sure that the source remains available for as long as you distribute the object code. http://www.gnu.org/licenses/gpl-faq.en.html#SourceAndBinaryOnDifferentSites --8<---------------cut here---------------end--------------->8--- I admit that the "you must take care to make sure that the source remains available for as long as you distribute the object code." part makes things more complicated, but still ... > because otherwise it isn't practical for the user who wants to rebuild > a DLL (e.g., to fix a bug in it or add a feature) of the exact version > used to build Emacs. (If she tries to do that with a different > version, that version might be incompatible with the specific version > of Emacs she uses.) For the same reason, the source distribution > found near the binary should be of the exact same version used to > produce the binary, and include any changes done by whoever built the > binary. True, from a developer point of view. But not required by GPL if I get it correctly. Please, don't get me wrong here, I do understand your point. But from a user point of view, I think Emacs becomes more attractive on Windows if it is provided as a self-contained binary package. Best, Arash