From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Didier Verna Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: How to improve the readability of (any) LISP or any highlevel functional language to the level of FORTH ? Date: Mon, 03 Jan 2011 11:29:02 +0100 Organization: EPITA Research and Development Laboratory Message-ID: References: <80ceeca0-1d32-47d1-ba96-feb4d9729c3a@v17g2000yqv.googlegroups.com> <87pqsgk8v9.fsf@kuiper.lan.informatimago.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1294070620 26345 80.91.229.12 (3 Jan 2011 16:03:40 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2011 16:03:40 +0000 (UTC) To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Jan 03 17:03:36 2011 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PZmsh-0007cH-Te for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Mon, 03 Jan 2011 17:03:36 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:55409 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1PZmsh-0005bB-Dp for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Mon, 03 Jan 2011 11:03:35 -0500 Original-Newsgroups: comp.lang.functional, comp.lang.lisp, gnu.emacs.help, comp.lang.forth, comp.lang.prolog Original-Lines: 22 Original-Distribution: world Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: merlin.enst.fr Original-X-Trace: news.enst.fr 1294050546 28727 137.194.160.24 (3 Jan 2011 10:29:06 GMT) Original-X-Complaints-To: usenet@enst.fr Original-NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2011 10:29:06 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: Gnus/5.110011 (No Gnus v0.11) XEmacs/21.5-b29 (linux) Face: iVBORw0KGgoAAAANSUhEUgAAADAAAAAwBAMAAAClLOS0AAAAGFBMVEX3+/X19PKXTx2+imB3 HQCDMgVWBgDt7On3a/21AAACUUlEQVQ4jXWSwXKkIBCGcS+5au3B61Yj5hzIzNwN8AAM8AAO9lnj gdffBuNWqjbTU2Vhf/P/fwOynHN3FvteJ2ieAfYUsI61P4OmgOYnRfvM6glo/gvfSr9dm659YZlR UMl5OUGX863vqL+VAZpTwfotX/GxvrCtOYf+Au0vRCLk0a399wx2nVzEt6bvm7Vt2u8AnMDH1u/7 7SAHaPICoOO8ZglcbSXqBDMftZ5v8hK4vHUV5NzStAm9CVEK69zwobZcwdp1PaJwA+L87gDccF8L 2NYu98MyuBFnkOC888YdVlveJUQTcY5SBiu0x6roCABYArhAsIvQaKqCgAoiBUzxQ3g0QeNSQSan MCK9WkH+3uOhoJNVAsgHHQphHBDQNYMEr4r6kwj0Ay/E4gmseVMyf84YkwvegOMAIbLi9JvzvD/w iqCN5uC1BlGtdv5K8wqwDvhw5+NkeAUZ5J+8Y7wLDUY4Ps4AUDJ2frn1O9L/vUCnSApcFoVUfL9J E91E9o5zJSmflc3x+xUxgAuAwk+Ox3uxomhpk7ezC45c3pGOcyqg/wRhvDbGDT7xizRK0o0AU+QE /KINjKAnpZRUFwzOM2oDKOk9jDMdODcAw6KGxGj7PmhttRYJZwl4pyGVigQiWjxLe8sll6CQwKDp CjClgrXF4FHKaiV0KSSGiS7b+GS9KQoIBZgCU1nRa7AViEDlKzBlqQuvCloH2rypnqYaVECE5l3o E609enpdrarGf9l/PQ4FESeIYG2VzZpwgBJ/uNDXQGIy/QeKVbVLpoK/OiYNGc1SdfMAAAAASUVO RK5CYII= X-Face: "&fT8u-M3b7Oxupo$Qqg}j]q.; ol~8@'P~`apx0M^X:\//'y3W'4Dh2W&${5%Y^0% P+jg%Z5&Nt&T0&S;zG06;6=jH Face: iVBORw0KGgoAAAANSUhEUgAAADAAAAAwBAMAAAClLOS0AAAAGFBMVEVRBQDw8O3QrouIQg9v IwD6+vjq6OWeZC/u/WLlAAACYklEQVQ4jW2SzWvjMBDFh1jU5xTsc+uG+GossbqKSKzOXrDvSrF6 1Uoi8+/v+CPZLdkJxKDfvDfzZMO4VzVU9O/GI5WngjtYTgY/Dk9gEVSDd8+ANO44Vs9WdO5q758B udd+fp5BQ65Jnqf/KVpAPX8HQzUM41WizbdVUv+7VX2KDaafdy/YM1TVFyK2Xbn01w+rajy+MsxF C3ZejR4zxumzxFy2nZ19/R1gbE+2RfHupn/AOF0xJc25/Di76e+6QzU1MvBQ2ra93UHlxvk4n6II pSoOMvR+dGsON7rJ1V3CoDuwCL0/VmsO7x2FxoyCZxEQZL3tC5d58G2Ll6SzMCBROu9XwG7NCSgC 50l1LEVx9ttwoxnT+GFkluYjrkF2wHjBsOV9gPIrosy/nV+B0skoWSrZqZdffZLih98AU9IoLQEl +NdLDuxlV2ilBRTRhHDwLhXBHPx2V9JwrgrU8nQ7z29MiTuwynZciM5aX/lPYA8F9dLFio7u4kpA 22YHQtv4Vmau3ungq+C927eS+dAEJlFj9E3Dee93kPIBs4gIySYojbw0d6A1UkiLmLjhght93nMY 2TKeZZMwRoJJ3dwGeGyYzEnSZ4V9m7i4bQowEfMFQ5kx29gEubUgGBUxXPpwSDEcGgJktwKgtyaE VmXCzjYYCmw3BSdUKC4k50tnB/RF7AoAVmBmXCibEgEwwuyAkGDGQLkqDJWk4UYRUBvmYjlfTUFR q6F39Sij130JaC60WCVMAQOzbstJSYD8qWP5LUaSU5bF0pCC3JZhCpYJSwFd6GJlHvUANIyeSsF3 8Af3uDRfSikS3QAAAABJRU5ErkJggg== X-Face: W2epKF#NbLn0Q!KKaX@2[@sK^p>IAS@+VB(`IGoj"ct5F,Q|w2 *L|oB}NY27wIruqJf|/[gHhiLGI/g9f$*^S+xT<-I List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:78113 Archived-At: Nathan wrote: > Matz himself admitted that “...Ruby is a bad rip-off of Lisp... But it > is nicer to ordinary people.” Which of course is a very sorry thing to say. Ruby is not nicer to ordinary people. It's nicer to people having already been brainwashed by languages full of syntax noise. At most, he could have said "to the majority of people". There is litterature and evidence out there that Lisp is just good enough for ordinary people as well, when it's their first programming experience. This misconception that you must be exceptionally clever to learn and use Lisp really hurts the language and the community. -- Resistance is futile. You will be jazzimilated. Scientific site: http://www.lrde.epita.fr/~didier Music (Jazz) site: http://www.didierverna.com