From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Bruce Ingalls Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: Key themes Date: Mon, 23 Dec 2002 23:59:14 GMT Organization: Road Runner - NYC Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+gnu-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: main.gmane.org 1040688330 21158 80.91.224.249 (24 Dec 2002 00:05:30 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@main.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 24 Dec 2002 00:05:30 +0000 (UTC) Return-path: Original-Received: from monty-python.gnu.org ([199.232.76.173]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 18QcZc-0005V0-00 for ; Tue, 24 Dec 2002 01:05:28 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.10.13) id 18QcZf-0003BD-01 for gnu-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Mon, 23 Dec 2002 19:05:31 -0500 Original-Path: shelby.stanford.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!cyclone.bc.net!sjc70.webusenet.com!news.webusenet.com!newsfeed1.cidera.com!Cidera!cyclone.rdc-nyc.rr.com!news-out.nyc.rr.com!twister.nyc.rr.com.POSTED!not-for-mail User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i586; en-US; rv:1.2) Gecko/20021127 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en Original-Newsgroups: gnu.emacs.help In-Reply-To: Original-Lines: 41 Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.168.135.82 Original-X-Complaints-To: abuse@rr.com Original-X-Trace: twister.nyc.rr.com 1040687954 24.168.135.82 (Mon, 23 Dec 2002 18:59:14 EST) Original-NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 23 Dec 2002 18:59:14 EST Original-Xref: shelby.stanford.edu gnu.emacs.help:108452 Original-To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1b5 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+gnu-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:4981 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.help:4981 David Masterson wrote: > Bruce Ingalls writes: >>Has anyone tried to write keybinding themes for EMacs, so that I could >>just go to Customize, and choose > >>o Native >>o CUA ... >>etc. > >>Is this even feasible? > > Wouldn't it be a matter of writing a function for each that does a > series of define-key (or global-set-key) statements and then putting > the appropriate function into a hook (like after-init-hook)? Hm. I think that you answered that it is *possible*. I was looking for a bigger picture, that there may be several suboptimally underengineered libraries with hard-coded keybindings, that would clash or suffer, as a result. Example: The Microsoft extensions to CUA tend to use C-s to save. This is bound to search, which should be remapped to C-f C-f is bound to forward, but [right] (arrow) is good enough. I now go ahead, and make all these remappings. So far, so good. What about third party libraries that add fancy extra functionality to Search? Further example: tiny-tools has tiny-search. Will this, and others be losing, if C-s no longer does search? Frankly, Emacs is no longer ugly. It is no longer difficult. Its slowness has mostly been cured by fast hardware. I believe that the only resistance to beginners are its obscure keybindings. The other issue is that most beginners won't bother to learn elisp; that is not a problem, until they desire to add new libraries. The Emacs community seems to have little interest in building an Eclipse-style plugin architecture any time soon. At least, we can make the keybindings easy to use, for now.