From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Ken Goldman Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: Emacs Book Vs Emacs Manuals Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2015 10:22:50 -0400 Message-ID: References: <554C9356.5000204@gmail.com> <20150508125314086261755@bob.proulx.com> <87bnhuc177.fsf@mbork.pl> <55561B9E.4070101@arlsoft.com> <87y4kpfvct.fsf@debian.uxu> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1435242209 2536 80.91.229.3 (25 Jun 2015 14:23:29 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2015 14:23:29 +0000 (UTC) To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Thu Jun 25 16:23:24 2015 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Z883n-0007pW-Im for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Thu, 25 Jun 2015 16:23:23 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:55966 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Z883m-0002Lh-M0 for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Thu, 25 Jun 2015 10:23:22 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:45489) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Z883W-0002JT-D8 for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 25 Jun 2015 10:23:07 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Z883Q-0002hI-5k for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 25 Jun 2015 10:23:06 -0400 Original-Received: from plane.gmane.org ([80.91.229.3]:53287) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Z883P-0002gw-VG for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 25 Jun 2015 10:23:00 -0400 Original-Received: from list by plane.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Z883N-0007Ua-EW for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 25 Jun 2015 16:22:57 +0200 Original-Received: from yktgi01e0-s4.watson.ibm.com ([129.34.20.23]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Thu, 25 Jun 2015 16:22:57 +0200 Original-Received: from kgoldman by yktgi01e0-s4.watson.ibm.com with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Thu, 25 Jun 2015 16:22:57 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Original-Lines: 26 Original-X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: yktgi01e0-s4.watson.ibm.com User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.0.1 In-Reply-To: <87y4kpfvct.fsf@debian.uxu> X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-Received-From: 80.91.229.3 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:105156 Archived-At: As someone who uses keyboard macros constantly ... I think they're certainly faster to write than lisp, since there's no debug time. For some specialized task I'll probably never use again, I can probably write the macro with less keystrokes than calling up .emacs and typing in the elisp. For the rare times I think I'll need the command again, I assign it to a key chord or save it. On 5/15/2015 4:18 PM, Emanuel Berg wrote: > Doug Lewan writes: > >> If you know emacs, then it's an obvious keyboard >> macro. > > Keyboard macros is poor-man's programming and while > they can be useful in many situations it is in many > more situations better to write proper Lisp. When one > gets some fluency with it it is not only infinitely > more powerful (obviously) but also faster, safer, and > less frustrating than keyboard macros. >