From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Tom Tromey Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: How old are Emacs users? Date: 24 Apr 2007 13:36:54 -0600 Message-ID: References: <868xciknw5.fsf@ketchup.de.uu.net> Reply-To: tromey@redhat.com NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1177444540 22439 80.91.229.12 (24 Apr 2007 19:55:40 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2007 19:55:40 +0000 (UTC) To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Apr 24 21:55:39 2007 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1HgR6w-000414-KS for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Tue, 24 Apr 2007 21:55:38 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HgRCU-0005gH-0R for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Tue, 24 Apr 2007 16:01:22 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1HgRCE-0005f3-Ga for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 24 Apr 2007 16:01:06 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1HgRCC-0005eq-JQ for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 24 Apr 2007 16:01:05 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HgRCC-0005en-EF for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 24 Apr 2007 16:01:04 -0400 Original-Received: from main.gmane.org ([80.91.229.2] helo=ciao.gmane.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1HgR6e-0008Ak-8H for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 24 Apr 2007 15:55:20 -0400 Original-Received: from list by ciao.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1HgR6U-0000Ju-RL for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 24 Apr 2007 21:55:10 +0200 Original-Received: from 207.189.193.61 ([207.189.193.61]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Tue, 24 Apr 2007 21:55:10 +0200 Original-Received: from tromey by 207.189.193.61 with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Tue, 24 Apr 2007 21:55:10 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Original-Lines: 22 Original-X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.189.193.61 X-Attribution: Tom User-Agent: Gnus/5.09 (Gnus v5.9.0) Emacs/21.4 X-detected-kernel: Linux 2.6, seldom 2.4 (older, 4) X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:43119 Archived-At: >>>>> "Kai" == Kai Grossjohann writes: Kai> I resisted Eclipse for a long time, but now I find refactoring and Kai> quickfixes invaluable tools. Completion in Eclipse is much better Kai> than everything I've been able to obtain with Emacs + JDEE + ECB + the Kai> bovine tools. And the project navigation is really good, too, though Kai> the distance to Emacs is not that big. Yeah, I moved much of my Java development to Eclipse as well. The refactoring, incremental compilation, etc, are nice enough that it outweighs how sucky the Eclipse editor is. There's no intrinsic reason that the Eclipse JDT stuff could not be wedded to Emacs. However nobody has done the work :(. As a proof of concept though, you could look at "eclim", which is more or less Eclipse attached to vim. I haven't tried CEDET yet. Maybe it is great :). But it is hard to believe it is as nice as Eclipse, after all Eclipse does code generation for you, not just indexing. Tom