From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: James Cloos Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: emacs + unicode + hebrew + bidi Date: Tue, 04 Nov 2008 16:04:23 -0500 Message-ID: References: <000e0cd2984440f972045ade8320@google.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1225832748 15102 80.91.229.12 (4 Nov 2008 21:05:48 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2008 21:05:48 +0000 (UTC) To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Nov 04 22:06:50 2008 connect(): Connection refused Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1KxT6f-0007OK-P4 for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Tue, 04 Nov 2008 22:06:34 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:51245 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1KxT5Y-0003VK-Od for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Tue, 04 Nov 2008 16:05:24 -0500 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1KxT5H-0003V0-Ji for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 04 Nov 2008 16:05:07 -0500 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1KxT5H-0003Uo-0E for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 04 Nov 2008 16:05:07 -0500 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=50755 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1KxT5G-0003Ul-T0 for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 04 Nov 2008 16:05:06 -0500 Original-Received: from eagle.jhcloos.com ([207.210.242.212]:37116) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1KxT5H-0000vr-9u for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 04 Nov 2008 16:05:07 -0500 Original-Received: by eagle.jhcloos.com (Postfix, from userid 10) id 32E074007C; Tue, 4 Nov 2008 20:47:42 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=jhcloos.com; s=eagle; t=1225831685; bh=sY5ejNDxLraBqY+r+eCS/VR594n6lO64domDYfuND lo=; h=From:To:Subject:In-Reply-To:References:Date:Message-ID: MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=J8uPRINIOl69h/PCHxpAdtdEkMdWpb0Mw7YzU Kt8pvceJuCVMb62o+W50EshJu+/JXk6Awd4LoLlS2kv5rGAtxa9OOSnMuAjxYfVcTAO 6BreOpdY2gMCJhPHH1jAhaMEklZQb/ReYUscSaLiO8lHZrD5MY4u6b5VZeJxQETIiO4 = Original-Received: by lugabout.jhcloos.org (Postfix, from userid 500) id D4E9D6561; Tue, 4 Nov 2008 21:04:46 +0000 (UTC) In-Reply-To: <000e0cd2984440f972045ade8320@google.com> (cyberkm@gmail.com's message of "Tue, 04 Nov 2008 07:13:58 -0800") User-Agent: Gnus/5.110011 (No Gnus v0.11) Emacs/23.0.60 (gnu/linux) Face: iVBORw0KGgoAAAANSUhEUgAAABAAAAAQCAYAAAAf8/9hAAAABHNCSVQICAgIfAhkiAAAAI1J REFUOE+lU9ESgCAIg64P1y+ngUdxhl5H8wFbbM0OmUiEhKkCYaZThXCo6KE5sCbA1DDX3genvO4d eBQgEMaM5qy6uWk4SfBYfdu9jvBN9nSVDOKRtwb+I3epboOsOX5pZbJNsBJFvmQQ05YMfieIBnYX FK2N6dOawd97r/e8RjkTLzmMsiVgrAoEugtviCM3v2WzjgAAAABJRU5ErkJggg== Copyright: Copyright 2008 James Cloos OpenPGP: ED7DAEA6; url=http://jhcloos.com/public_key/0xED7DAEA6.asc OpenPGP-Fingerprint: E9E9 F828 61A4 6EA9 0F2B 63E7 997A 9F17 ED7D AEA6 Original-Lines: 20 X-Hashcash: 1:23:081104:help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org::qYvWQLzKHEVsaqeI:0000000000000000000000000000000000000006r8G X-detected-operating-system: by monty-python.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6, seldom 2.4 (older, 4) X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:59446 Archived-At: |> The numbers are from left to right Another way to wor what he says is that the (so-called) Arabic digits are big-endian when read LTR and little-endian when read RTL, and that regardless of how one actually thinks of them the representation of integers is inherently little-endian. Decimals in (-1.0,1.0), OTOH, are inherently big-endian. And so the full range of the Reals written in decimal form are middle-endian. IIRC, the digits as we know them were invented (probably in India) in a culture which wrote RTL and were not reversed when adopted into the LTR scripts. Which suggests there is an etymological basis for his thesis. Nonetheless, most of the worl currently thinks of them as exclusively big-endian LTR, no matter what script they are used with. -JimC -- James Cloos OpenPGP: 1024D/ED7DAEA6