From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Chris Hall Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Emacs 21.2, smtpmail and vm Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2003 12:22:27 GMT Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+gnu-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: main.gmane.org 1043756995 11048 80.91.224.249 (28 Jan 2003 12:29:55 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@main.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2003 12:29:55 +0000 (UTC) Return-path: Original-Received: from monty-python.gnu.org ([199.232.76.173]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 18dUsC-0002ru-00 for ; Tue, 28 Jan 2003 13:29:52 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.10.13) id 18dUoa-00028s-09 for gnu-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Tue, 28 Jan 2003 07:26:08 -0500 Original-Path: shelby.stanford.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!snoopy.risq.qc.ca!chi1.webusenet.com!news.webusenet.com!cyclone1.gnilink.net!spamkiller.gnilink.net!nwrddc01.gnilink.net.POSTED!1f18d88b!not-for-mail Original-Newsgroups: gnu.emacs.help Original-Lines: 68 User-Agent: Gnus/5.09 (Gnus v5.9.0) Emacs/21.2 Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 4.65.55.48 Original-X-Complaints-To: abuse@verizon.net Original-X-Trace: nwrddc01.gnilink.net 1043756547 4.65.55.48 (Tue, 28 Jan 2003 07:22:27 EST) Original-NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2003 07:22:27 EST Original-Xref: shelby.stanford.edu gnu.emacs.help:109486 Original-To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1b5 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+gnu-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:6005 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.help:6005 I'm sure this is probably already really old news, but I've spent over 12 hours on this already (though I have learned a lot - mostly good). I've been using Emacs 20.7 for a years, vm and smtpmail for a couple. Got 'em, installed 'em, configured 'em and ran 'em. No problem, maybe a couple of hours max on the mail-related portions, happy as a clam. Switched ISP's a while back, requires SMTP AUTH, I had been using other mail clients, they no problem w/SMTP AUTH. Decided to switch back to vm, 'cuz whatever its faults, it being in Emacs means a lot me. Now the problem: SMTP AUTH not supported. Upgrade vm. No luck, check the web, upgrade sendmail.el, smtpmail.el (from e-mails) and started getting 'mail-envelope-from' 'Symbol definition void'. Checked some more, played w/various nil/non-nil 'use-mail-envelope'-like settings - no change in behavior, at all. It seems, from what I've found (via Google mostly) that there _were_ maybe a series of problems along these lines? Found some patches, from COMMITs and the like - none of 'em would even apply on any of the versions of sendmail.el/smtpmail.el that I had on my box. I was especially interested in the couple that actually *defined* a function 'mail-envelope-from'. Read the sources for sendmail.el/smtpmail.el, manual for vm: it's got to be in my .emacs, at this point I figuring, right? Well, I sure can't seem to find it. BTW, I don't what I am doing wrong, but I have had less luck trying to find a free-standing version of sendmail.el/smtpmail.el, current or otherwise than any other file I have searched for in the last six years. Though there should be 29-49 versions, depending on which patch I was looking at. One sure way though, right? Though not what anybody would exactly call 'freestanding': last night, I grabbed the Emacs 21.2 sources from gnu.org, built me the latest and greatest (stable - I think stable is great in my 'hammer'.) (I thought I liked Emacs *before*!) and sure enough : new copies of sendmail.el/smtpmail.el! With either the same exact 'bug'/behavior, or one displaying exactly the same symptoms, i.e., error message. And, vm won't initialize the first time: some frickin silly back-trace at this point, (and I have left out various twiddles in .emacs, C-h v's, 'set-variables', so on) I'm losing steam. Vm initalizes on the second try in the same Emacs session, but the purty toolbar icons are gone, now just mere rectangular outlines. But vm reads any mail sitting on my ISPs box, and everything else seems normal enough, I can at least read my mail, which is OK - mice are more distraction than truly useful, don't much care about the icons, in my view. Though those icons sure are purty. Losin enthusiam, too - Sylpheed is looking like it wasn't so bad after all. I would much appreciate any suggestions as to which tree I should be barking up. +Chris Hall -- "No nation can preserve its freedom in the midst of continual warfare." -- James Madison, Secretary of State to Mr. Jefferson, and 4th President "My confidence is that there will for a long time be virtue and good sense enough in our countrymen to correct abuses." --Thomas Jefferson to Edward Rutledge, 1788. ME 7:81