From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Jesper Harder Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: multi-line conditionals in elisp Date: Tue, 24 Dec 2002 04:17:43 +0100 Organization: http://purl.org/harder/ Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+gnu-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: main.gmane.org 1040700079 30774 80.91.224.249 (24 Dec 2002 03:21:19 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@main.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 24 Dec 2002 03:21:19 +0000 (UTC) Return-path: Original-Received: from monty-python.gnu.org ([199.232.76.173]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 18Qfd7-00080C-00 for ; Tue, 24 Dec 2002 04:21:17 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.10.13) id 18QfcQ-0005ed-04 for gnu-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Mon, 23 Dec 2002 22:20:34 -0500 Original-Path: shelby.stanford.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!newsswitch.lcs.mit.edu!newspump.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed.fjserv.net!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed.fjserv.net!news.tele.dk!news.tele.dk!small.news.tele.dk!not-for-mail Original-Newsgroups: gnu.emacs.help X-Face: ^RrvqCr7c,P$zTR:QED"@h9+BTm-"fjZJJ-3=OU7.)i/K]<.J88}s>'Z_$r; List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+gnu-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:4987 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.help:4987 David Kastrup writes: > Michael Powe writes: > >> well, i'm ignorant and you are a jerk. which one of us is worse off? >> hint: i don't think it's me. i can learn what i don't know, > > Not if you piss off the people that could teach you. Score adjusted. When it shall really be possible to lead a person to a specific place, one first of all has to be careful to find where he is and start from there. This is the secret of the art of helping. Anyone who is not able to do so is simply seducing himself into believing that he is able to help others. To really help another person I must understand more than him but first of all understand what he understands. When I don't do this my superior understanding does not help him at all. Yet when I start to impose my superior understanding, then it is because of my vanity and pride, in that I don't really want to help him but wish him to admire me instead. But all true help begins with humility. The helper must first humble himself to the one he wishes to help and thereby understand that helping is not to rule but to serve. That helping is not being the most domineering but the most patient. That helping is willingness to tolerate, for the present, being wrong and not understanding what the other understands. -- Søren Kierkegaard, Brudstykke af en ligefrem meddelelse 'nuff said! (and apologies for my translation which doesn't really do justice to the eloquence of the original).