From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Lee Sau Dan Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: Chinese characters support Date: 15 May 2003 10:07:00 +0200 Organization: Rechenzentrum der Universitaet Freiburg, Germany Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+gnu-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Message-ID: References: <8361-Sat10May2003214356+0300-eliz@elta.co.il> <20030511.111148.41626730.acmuller@gol.com> <3405-Sun11May2003063231+0300-eliz@elta.co.il> NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: main.gmane.org 1052988438 14672 80.91.224.249 (15 May 2003 08:47:18 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@main.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 08:47:18 +0000 (UTC) Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+gnu-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Thu May 15 10:47:16 2003 Return-path: Original-Received: from monty-python.gnu.org ([199.232.76.173]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 19GEOS-0003oN-00 for ; Thu, 15 May 2003 10:47:16 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.10.13) id 19GEMq-00019Q-06 for gnu-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Thu, 15 May 2003 04:45:36 -0400 Original-Path: shelby.stanford.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!headwall.stanford.edu!newshub.sdsu.edu!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.stupi.se!news.stupi.se!news.tele.dk!news.tele.dk!small.news.tele.dk!news100.image.dk!feed.news.nacamar.de!newsfeed01.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!news.belwue.de!news.uni-freiburg.de!not-for-mail Original-Newsgroups: gnu.emacs.help Original-Lines: 54 Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: savona.informatik.uni-freiburg.de User-Agent: Gnus/5.0808 (Gnus v5.8.8) Emacs/20.7 Original-Xref: shelby.stanford.edu gnu.emacs.help:113254 Original-To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1b5 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+gnu-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:9748 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.help:9748 >>>>> "Robin" == Robin Hu writes: >>>>> "Lee" == Lee Sau Dan writes: >>>>> "Charles" == Charles Muller writes: Lee> Many people using the CJK parts of Emacs only work with the Lee> national encodings (Big5, GB, JIS, KSC, etc.) and in those Lee> cases, they Emacs works excellently. Robin> I think you are over-simpilify this problem. ;-( Most Robin> CJK characters are not encoded in either Big5 or GB or JIS Robin> or KSC, that's why the GB coding standard change from Robin> gb2312 to gbk then to gb18030. It depends on what you mean by "most". Yes, if you include those 10s of thousnds of *rare* characters, then even Unicode can fall short. Most Chinese text, for instance, uses around 5000 distinct characters only, of which around 1000 accounts for more than 90% of the characters in a text. Big5 is very sufficient for normal use. If not, the Chinese people won't have thrown it away (e.g. in favour of Unicode). Similarly, Japanese texts employ around 3000 distinct characters, and there is a government standard list of characters to use. Characters outside that list should be theoretically avoided. The characters in JIS are based on this set, AFAIK. Robin> AFAIK, most chinese characters also cannot be coded within Robin> mule, and exists unicode support does not solve this Robin> problem. As long as 99.99% of the characters that I need for Chinese text files can be encoded in Big5 and emacs-mule, what's the problem? Robin> Of course, emacs is enough for most people in most Robin> time, but I am really hesitated to tell my friend once and Robin> once again "Sorry, but your name (羽中) is not supported by Robin> my emacs." No, that's not my name. I think Gnus sets the charset of my postings to big5. And which Emacs is your emacs? Emacs since version 20 has been displaying Chinese (I can't speak for Japanese and Korean) very satisfactorily. And I find it, together with Gnus, to be the most practical tool on Linux to read/write Chinese files/news/mails. -- Lee Sau Dan 李守敦(Big5) ~{@nJX6X~}(HZ) E-mail: danlee@informatik.uni-freiburg.de Home page: http://www.informatik.uni-freiburg.de/~danlee