From: Lee Sau Dan <danlee@informatik.uni-freiburg.de>
Subject: Re: Software/HD ecology
Date: 16 Dec 2002 17:04:24 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <m3adj6ar1z.fsf@mika.informatik.uni-freiburg.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: 121220021419243187%anil@null.invalid
>>>>> "Anil" == Anil <anil@null.invalid> writes:
Anil> Since unix routinely keeps a system-wide log on every file,
Since when does Unices do that? Can you tell me the name of this log
file?
Anil> Let us say a slightly enhanced version of "ls" could tell
Anil> you not only that a file is owned by root, wheel, etc., but
Anil> also "belongs" to the System or a user or a package like TeX
Anil> or Emacs-29.9, and maybe even its type within that package
Anil> (src, doc, bin...). This requires one or two more file
Anil> attributes, but then you could check on an individual file
Anil> with "ls" or list all files belonging to a package with
Anil> "find".
'man rpm', if you're on a RedHat or SuSE system.
Anil> I think unix was conceptualized for small systems and
Anil> programs, where a user might know every file, where it came
Anil> from, what it does.
Wrong. Unix has been designed to be a multi-concurrent-user system
since 3 decades ago. Unix systems used to be time-shared among
hundreds (in some cases thousands) of concurrent users. Normally, the
end users only know about a few subtree of the whole directory tree,
and that's enough for his work.
Anil> Either you wrote it yourself or copied it from a
Anil> friend. Those times are gone.
They've gone long ago.
Anil> We have hundreds of thousands of files,
Unix passed this point decades ago.
Anil> know nothing about them, and routinely install packages that
Anil> bring thousands of files. The culture and the tools have not
Anil> evolved to deal with this reality and perhaps need to.
That why we hav package management tools, like RPM on RedHat and SuSE.
Anil> Shouldn't you be able to know just what a particular file
Anil> named "dtabttf" doing on your system?
Unix programmers would have used a more descriptive filenames.
Anil> Similarly, while I am glad to know a files's relationship to
Anil> "wheel", it would also be useful to know it belongs to emacs
Anil> or TeX.
rpm -qf /etc/ntpd.conf
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Lee Sau Dan 李守敦(Big5) ~{@nJX6X~}(HZ)
E-mail: danlee@informatik.uni-freiburg.de
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2002-12-06 11:14 ` Mac OSX TeX / To X11 or Not? Ajanta
2002-12-06 10:27 ` Raffael Herzog
2002-12-06 14:28 ` Rodney Sparapani
2002-12-06 14:49 ` Kai Großjohann
2002-12-06 14:52 ` Schone Mullerin
2002-12-06 17:35 ` Andrew Choi
2002-12-06 21:30 ` Emacs 21.3.50 on Mac OSX 10.2.2 Ajanta
2002-12-06 23:07 ` Stefan Monnier <foo@acm.com>
2002-12-07 7:53 ` Ajanta
2002-12-07 14:18 ` Kai Großjohann
2002-12-07 18:53 ` Ajanta
2002-12-07 21:53 ` Kai Großjohann
2002-12-09 19:29 ` Stefan Monnier <foo@acm.com>
2002-12-09 23:49 ` For Andrew Choi/Enrico Franconi: Bug in Emacs 21.3.50 Ajanta
2002-12-09 23:21 ` Andrew Choi
2002-12-10 13:39 ` Stefan Monnier <foo@acm.com>
2002-12-10 18:23 ` Software/HD ecology (was Re:...Bug in Emacs 21.3.50) Ajanta
2002-12-10 17:31 ` Galen Boyer
2002-12-10 17:48 ` Phillip Lord
2002-12-10 17:59 ` Galen Boyer
2002-12-10 18:01 ` Phillip Lord
2002-12-10 21:14 ` Ajanta
2002-12-11 12:56 ` Phillip Lord
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2002-12-11 18:29 ` Phillip Lord
2002-12-11 19:51 ` Ajanta
2002-12-11 19:41 ` Software/HD ecology Henrik Enberg
2002-12-11 20:41 ` Software/HD ecology (was Re:...Bug in Emacs 21.3.50) Stefan Monnier <foo@acm.com>
2002-12-12 3:51 ` Ajanta
2002-12-12 11:49 ` Software/HD ecology Kai Großjohann
2002-12-12 16:30 ` Bijan Soleymani
2002-12-12 19:43 ` Kai Großjohann
2002-12-12 21:03 ` Anil Trivedi
2002-12-13 9:03 ` Kai Großjohann
2002-12-16 16:09 ` Lee Sau Dan
2002-12-16 20:13 ` Kai Großjohann
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2002-12-21 0:13 ` Miles Bader
2002-12-21 12:31 ` Fredrik Staxeng
2002-12-21 23:15 ` Tribhuvan
2002-12-22 2:54 ` Miles Bader
2002-12-22 10:46 ` Fredrik Staxeng
2002-12-23 19:42 ` David Masterson
2002-12-19 21:14 ` David Masterson
2002-12-19 23:38 ` Tribhuvan
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2002-12-20 15:41 ` Lee Sau Dan
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2002-12-12 23:14 ` Ajanta
2002-12-12 23:44 ` David Masterson
2002-12-13 9:11 ` Kai Großjohann
2002-12-12 14:11 ` Software/HD ecology (was Re:...Bug in Emacs 21.3.50) Stefan Monnier <foo@acm.com>
2002-12-12 20:50 ` Ajanta
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2002-12-12 23:02 ` Anil Trivedi
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2002-12-13 19:11 ` Software/HD ecology (was Re:...Bug in Emacs 21.3.50) David Masterson
2002-12-13 19:32 ` Stefan Monnier <foo@acm.com>
2002-12-17 0:33 ` David Masterson
2002-12-12 20:27 ` Galen Boyer
2002-12-12 21:28 ` Anil Trivedi
2002-12-13 1:30 ` Miles Bader
2002-12-11 20:49 ` Software/HD ecology Kai Großjohann
2002-12-12 4:44 ` Anil Trivedi
2002-12-12 4:58 ` Miles Bader
2002-12-12 6:16 ` Eli Zaretskii
2002-12-12 14:50 ` Phillip Lord
2002-12-12 19:40 ` Kai Großjohann
2002-12-12 21:39 ` Anil Trivedi
2002-12-13 1:35 ` Miles Bader
2002-12-12 23:23 ` David Masterson
2002-12-11 21:34 ` Software/HD ecology (was Re:...Bug in Emacs 21.3.50) Bijan Soleymani
2002-12-10 5:23 ` Emacs 21.3.50 on Mac OSX 10.2.2 David Combs
2002-12-10 8:29 ` Ajanta
2002-12-07 8:19 ` Thanks to all (Re: Mac OSX TeX / To X11 or Not?) new2osx
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