From: Tom Tromey <tromey@redhat.com>
To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org
Subject: Re: My emacs was upgraded and I am a novice again
Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2007 10:14:04 -0600 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <m38x6x1hrn.fsf@fleche.redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: u3ax7174s.fsf@gnu.org
>>>>> "Eli" == Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org> writes:
Tom> On the minus side, discoverability remains a problem. Sometimes I
Tom> wish I'd found those features years earlier.
>> Ideas for an 'index' please? What form? Its the match of 'idea/usage'
>> vs package name/variable/mode. Generally once you have the key words,
>> emacs is sufficiently helpful?
Eli> Instead of inventing new machinery, how about enhancing the existing
Eli> one? "C-h P" is supposed to use the index you seem to think about.
FWIW I think Emacs has excellent documentation.
The fundamental discoverability problem with Emacs isn't that the
documentation is missing -- it never is. The problem is, if you want
to find something by keyword, first you must guess the keyword that
the original author used.
I don't know a good way to solve this problem. Usually if I'm
motivated to look for something I end up doing many searches --
apropos, multiple keyword searches through various info documents, the
Emacs Wiki, and Google. Even then I sometimes won't find something.
This is hard enough that my need has to be pretty severe -- or have
triggered my curiosity -- to bother. Otherwise it is usually simpler
to muddling through with whatever (usually less efficient) approach
I've been using.
Tom
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Thread overview: 69+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2007-09-20 18:22 My emacs was upgraded and I am a novice again Bruce Korb
2007-09-20 23:40 ` David Hansen
2007-09-21 9:49 ` Eli Zaretskii
2007-09-21 11:21 ` Dave Pawson
[not found] ` <mailman.1105.1190373701.18990.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2007-09-21 11:36 ` Joost Kremers
2007-09-21 17:40 ` Stefan Monnier
2007-09-21 19:17 ` Tom Tromey
2007-09-22 5:04 ` Dave Pawson
2007-09-22 7:39 ` Eli Zaretskii
2007-09-22 8:56 ` Dave Pawson
2007-09-22 9:21 ` Eli Zaretskii
2007-09-22 13:12 ` Dave Pawson
2007-09-22 14:28 ` Eli Zaretskii
2007-09-22 16:26 ` Drew Adams
2007-09-22 16:23 ` Drew Adams
2007-09-22 16:37 ` Dave Pawson
2007-09-22 18:23 ` Eli Zaretskii
2007-09-22 18:36 ` Drew Adams
[not found] ` <mailman.1154.1190466767.18990.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2007-09-23 7:45 ` Tim X
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2007-09-23 6:49 ` Tim X
2007-09-23 8:26 ` Dave Pawson
2007-09-23 11:13 ` Bastien
2007-09-23 16:14 ` Tom Tromey [this message]
2007-09-23 19:10 ` Eli Zaretskii
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2007-09-24 0:38 ` Johan Bockgård
2007-09-24 4:25 ` Eli Zaretskii
2007-09-25 8:54 ` Tim X
[not found] ` <mailman.1189.1190565460.18990.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2007-09-23 16:52 ` David Kastrup
2007-09-23 17:27 ` Tom Tromey
[not found] ` <mailman.1192.1190569877.18990.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2007-09-23 18:03 ` Joost Kremers
2007-10-17 23:19 ` David Combs
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2007-09-23 5:56 ` Tim X
2007-09-23 7:18 ` Dave Pawson
2007-09-23 5:01 ` Tim X
2007-09-23 6:25 ` Dave Pawson
[not found] ` <mailman.1172.1190528732.18990.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2007-09-23 8:18 ` David Kastrup
2007-09-23 8:56 ` Dave Pawson
2007-09-23 19:11 ` Eli Zaretskii
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2007-09-23 9:25 ` David Kastrup
2007-10-17 23:23 ` AH HA! it's a MENU item! " David Combs
2007-09-24 4:09 ` Stefan Monnier
2007-09-24 8:36 ` David Hansen
2007-09-24 21:51 ` Eli Zaretskii
2007-09-24 22:41 ` Emre Sahin
2007-09-24 23:10 ` Bastien
2007-09-25 15:47 ` Drew Adams
2007-09-25 21:33 ` Eli Zaretskii
2007-09-25 21:46 ` Drew Adams
2007-09-26 9:02 ` Eli Zaretskii
2007-09-26 14:47 ` Drew Adams
2007-09-26 15:05 ` Eli Zaretskii
2007-09-26 16:10 ` Drew Adams
2007-09-25 4:12 ` Eli Zaretskii
2007-09-25 11:06 ` Emre Sahin
2007-09-25 21:24 ` Eli Zaretskii
[not found] ` <mailman.1254.1190675441.18990.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2007-09-25 5:52 ` David Kastrup
2007-09-25 7:08 ` Bastien
2007-09-24 8:05 ` Tim X
2007-09-24 16:12 ` Sean Sieger
2007-09-24 0:15 ` Sean Sieger
[not found] <mailman.1081.1190330833.18990.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2007-09-21 4:35 ` Glenn Morris
2007-09-23 20:17 ` Tom Horsley
2007-09-23 20:31 ` David Kastrup
2007-09-24 10:51 ` Tom Horsley
2007-09-24 21:49 ` Eli Zaretskii
2007-09-25 8:57 ` Tim X
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2007-10-06 18:44 Bruce Korb
[not found] <mailman.1779.1191696304.18990.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2007-10-07 5:45 ` Tim X
2007-10-10 17:16 ` Stefan Monnier
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