From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Mark Plaksin Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: Emacs 21 and M-x term Date: Tue, 09 Sep 2003 21:39:21 -0400 Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: deer.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1063159635 4122 80.91.224.253 (10 Sep 2003 02:07:15 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2003 02:07:15 +0000 (UTC) Cc: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Sep 10 04:07:13 2003 Return-path: Original-Received: from monty-python.gnu.org ([199.232.76.173]) by deer.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 19wuO0-0004AR-00 for ; Wed, 10 Sep 2003 04:07:13 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 19wuKF-0005hh-Da for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Tue, 09 Sep 2003 22:03:19 -0400 Original-Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.22) id 19wu5d-0003QQ-Pc for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 09 Sep 2003 21:48:13 -0400 Original-Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.22) id 19wu5K-0002w2-LH for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 09 Sep 2003 21:47:58 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.41.8] (helo=mx20.gnu.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (TLSv1:DES-CBC3-SHA:168) (Exim 4.22) id 19wu55-0002fQ-Um for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 09 Sep 2003 21:47:40 -0400 Original-Received: from [198.72.70.185] (helo=iris.bor.usg.edu) by mx20.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 19wtxF-0003vg-4P for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 09 Sep 2003 21:39:33 -0400 Original-Received: from grapes.rath.peachnet.edu (grapes.rath.peachnet.edu [198.72.70.68]) by iris.bor.usg.edu (8.11.6p2/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h8A1dLv01427; Tue, 9 Sep 2003 21:39:21 -0400 (EDT) Original-Received: from water.rath.peachnet.edu (water.rath.peachnet.edu [168.24.245.33]) by grapes.rath.peachnet.edu (8.11.6p2/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h8A1dKL24088; Tue, 9 Sep 2003 21:39:21 -0400 (EDT) Original-To: Lute Kamstra In-Reply-To: (Lute Kamstra's message of "Tue, 09 Sep 2003 12:18:07 +0200") User-Agent: Gnus/5.1002 (Gnus v5.10.2) Emacs/21.3.50 (gnu/linux) X-USG-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:12409 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.help:12409 Lute Kamstra writes: > I cannot reproduce your problem. I can't reliably reproduce the problem either but it happens most of the time. When I can reproduce it I'll send details. > I tried both fonts. Both work well in combination with term. Maybe I > don't quite understand the problem you are experiencing. What exactly > do you mean with "columns don't line up correctly"? Here's an example. When it works it looks like this: ~/emacs/cvs:water$ ls c* config.bat config.log config.sub* configure.in config.guess* config.status* configure* When it doesn't work it looks something like this: ~/emacs/cvs:water$ ls c* config.bat config.log config.sub* configure.in config.guess* config.status* configure* In the second example config.sub doesn't start in the right column. > It sounds as if you use a variable width font, but both fonts you > mention are fixed width. Could you elaborate? I thought (and think) they are fixed width too so I don't understand why the fonts matter. I don't know much about fonts. >> Now that I can use CVS Emacs for everyday work, I will compile a list >> of the remaining problems and do what I can to help with debugging. > > Great. I won't get the list compiled until next week but it will come. >> One problem so far: ssh to an HP-UX 11.00 system, set TERM to eterm, >> and run vi. > > So you run vi from within Emacs. Interesting. ;-) Ha! My main use for term is to connect to remote machines and do system administration. Maybe gnuserv or TRAMP could be used to edit files as root on remote machines but I haven't tried it. I also haven't thought through whether it's a good idea or not. Even if I had it all set up, there would always be new machines on which it was not yet set up :) Sysadmins *must* know some vi anyhow. Don't get me wrong though I'd love to be doing *everything* in Emacs! >> C-d does *almost* what you'd expect but the bottom half of the >> screen is off by one line. When I hit C-l the bottom half of the >> lines move up one line. > > Are you talking about C-d sent to Emacs or sent to vi? (I know 0.0 > about vi.) C-d is like C-v in Emacs except it only moves down half a page. I'm typing C-d inside an Emacs term and it's getting sent to the vi process on the remote host. C-l in vi redraws the screen.