From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Rainer M Krug Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: When do you prefer frames instead of windows? Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2014 09:54:45 +0100 Message-ID: References: <87a93g1305.fsf@robertthorpeconsulting.com> <602f48d7-f767-43d6-8c91-456b582bbc6b@default> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="=-=-="; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature" X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1416906121 6288 80.91.229.3 (25 Nov 2014 09:02:01 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2014 09:02:01 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Raffaele Ricciardi , help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org, Robert Thorpe To: Drew Adams Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Nov 25 10:01:54 2014 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1XtC0Q-00050y-0U for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Tue, 25 Nov 2014 10:01:54 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:56080 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XtC0P-00065e-Lt for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Tue, 25 Nov 2014 04:01:53 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:35805) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XtC09-00065W-3w for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 25 Nov 2014 04:01:42 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XtC03-00067w-Gy for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 25 Nov 2014 04:01:37 -0500 Original-Received: from mail-wi0-f172.google.com ([209.85.212.172]:55809) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XtBta-0003jf-2q for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 25 Nov 2014 03:54:50 -0500 Original-Received: by mail-wi0-f172.google.com with SMTP id n3so8356083wiv.5 for ; Tue, 25 Nov 2014 00:54:49 -0800 (PST) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=from:to:cc:subject:references:date:in-reply-to:message-id :user-agent:mime-version:content-type; bh=rQJMTS+MaC0pvljzAi8Bms/UEhUeO5GrtKl0PfZOboY=; b=NxMWnXVhPnkxDBYXCxAXgFvOOVOL48g4h07M06OlH8UqZ9FEaahVUPG7Ha/QBmMCDA hCa3NBkH88FwrHohBTWxocZ3WJ/36lsv6/Wexr8X+iH2d1ks1xeYIceIRGCeDbSzGQwq 8Vl6WpG20cpxfqhsMryJrLqNV4xBhltRyGwidzPuiG4YNeZPIg1iM0OlZ67nuhcOQnMD VY+2kB6j+/7NbZiEEo2k4xjAHc1PARUwvaDgPhfPfsjPnSeFq/QSfCremF0p5T3WJdaC oOmCmxg+WLZ+HKEG5ot+0E4hMEGkldpPv2fABLGa753rI5ddCop3opOGL6rUwS4Jnymt ddZA== X-Received: by 10.194.109.201 with SMTP id hu9mr17447199wjb.45.1416905689276; Tue, 25 Nov 2014 00:54:49 -0800 (PST) Original-Received: from Rainers-MacBook-Pro-4.local (arn78-1-88-186-171-7.fbx.proxad.net. [88.186.171.7]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id ec2sm1848197wib.23.2014.11.25.00.54.47 for (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Tue, 25 Nov 2014 00:54:48 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <602f48d7-f767-43d6-8c91-456b582bbc6b@default> (Drew Adams's message of "Mon, 24 Nov 2014 20:21:51 -0800 (PST)") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.4 (darwin) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] [fuzzy] X-Received-From: 209.85.212.172 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:101151 Archived-At: --=-=-= Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Drew Adams writes: >> Modern X Windows environments have keybindings for common operations >> on frames. However, Microsoft Windows only has a few of those, to >> tiresome switching between the keyboard and mouse is needed. I use >> both X and MS Windows daily. I generally prefer using Emacs windows >> rather than frames becuase they can be manipulated using the keyboard >> on all platforms. > > It should be possible, out of the box, to do that in Emacs itself. > One set of keys for all platforms, and any set of keys you yourself > choose. > > I wrote: > > > With Emacs this is even better, as you can manipulate frames > > using the keyboard, not just the mouse. > > > > However, out of the box, support for using Emacs frames is pretty > > primitive. So I jump through a bunch of configuration hooks to > > be able to use them easily (including keyboard manipulation). > > You need to be able to do the same kinds of things with frames > that you can do with Emacs windows - *from the keyboard* (and with > a mouse). Including move around incrementally, resize incrementally, > cycle/choose, tile/split, and so on. > > I use Emacs that way, but as I say, this is not provided out of the > box with `emacs -Q'. (It should be, IMO.) You are throwing teaser around - is your emacs config some=3Dwhere on=3Dine, so that I could take a look at your configuration regarding frames? > > I really would be interested in people's answers to my question, BTW: > > > IF you could use Emacs frames as easily as you can use Emacs > > windows, in what scenarios would you prefer using Emacs windows, > > and why? > > =2D-=20 Rainer M. 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