From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Random832 Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: I am confused: why Emacs keybindings in OS X? Date: Sat, 30 Jan 2016 01:28:14 -0500 Message-ID: References: <52c0bcab-c37e-4ecb-960e-5b46dcc10c2f@googlegroups.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1454135444 638 80.91.229.3 (30 Jan 2016 06:30:44 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 30 Jan 2016 06:30:44 +0000 (UTC) To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sat Jan 30 07:30:31 2016 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1aPP3G-0002e0-Rq for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sat, 30 Jan 2016 07:30:30 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:37704 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aPP37-000380-Mt for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sat, 30 Jan 2016 01:30:21 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:42904) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aPP2w-00036U-8l for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 30 Jan 2016 01:30:11 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aPP2t-0000Vq-2c for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 30 Jan 2016 01:30:10 -0500 Original-Received: from plane.gmane.org ([80.91.229.3]:36012) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aPP2s-0000Vg-SU for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 30 Jan 2016 01:30:07 -0500 Original-Received: from list by plane.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1aPP2q-0002Ej-SI for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 30 Jan 2016 07:30:04 +0100 Original-Received: from c-68-39-93-111.hsd1.in.comcast.net ([68.39.93.111]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Sat, 30 Jan 2016 07:30:04 +0100 Original-Received: from random832 by c-68-39-93-111.hsd1.in.comcast.net with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Sat, 30 Jan 2016 07:30:04 +0100 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Original-Lines: 14 Original-X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: c-68-39-93-111.hsd1.in.comcast.net User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.5 (darwin) Cancel-Lock: sha1:AromoXVdQGDnY3wyh7nyhTUT8qQ= X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-Received-From: 80.91.229.3 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:108922 Archived-At: Alan writes: > Do the keybindings of Emacs, and of the desktop on OS X derive from a > common ancestor, independently, or is something darker at work? "Emacs" existed as a concept before GNU Emacs, e.g. Gosling Emacs and Montgomery Emacs... all ultimately derived in concept from RMS's TECO Emacs. For a while, it was popular to integrate a subset of Emacs keybindings in other systems (this is why they can be used in bash, for instance, and as my other message mentioned Motif). I suspect OS X's usage of it is a holdover of Nextstep doing this - there were certainly no such keybindings in the pre-OSX mac environment as far as I can remember. I don't know what you mean by "something darker", though.