From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Tim McNamara Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: OSX Meta bound to Esc! Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2004 08:55:27 -0600 Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Message-ID: References: <140120041853024358%stupidnewsprogram@home.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: deer.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1074179425 32075 80.91.224.253 (15 Jan 2004 15:10:25 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2004 15:10:25 +0000 (UTC) Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Thu Jan 15 16:10:22 2004 Return-path: Original-Received: from monty-python.gnu.org ([199.232.76.173]) by deer.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1Ah98X-0006xb-00 for ; Thu, 15 Jan 2004 16:10:22 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.24) id 1Ah91C-0007rn-Qi for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Thu, 15 Jan 2004 10:02:46 -0500 Original-Path: shelby.stanford.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news-out.visi.com!petbe.visi.com!gemini.bitstream.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Original-Newsgroups: gnu.emacs.help,comp.emacs User-Agent: Gnus/5.1006 (Gnus v5.10.6) Emacs/21.3.50 (darwin) Cancel-Lock: sha1:5WhqtWOOHeisbhHvRYRi51tmPvg= Original-Lines: 18 Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 3899c7e3.news.bitstream.net Original-X-Trace: 1074178530 gemini.bitstream.net 431 216.243.177.155 Original-X-Complaints-To: abuse@bitstream.net Original-Xref: shelby.stanford.edu gnu.emacs.help:120126 comp.emacs:82850 Original-To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:16065 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.help:16065 Konrad Hinsen writes: > I have probably missed the start of this thread, but I am a bit > surprised about it. Even the non-windowing emacs that Apple ships > with MacOS X uses the option key as the meta key (they couldn't use > the command key as that is used by the terminal). Nobody *has* to > use ESC on a Mac. Apple neglected to provide a way to use the Alt/Option key as Meta in their implementation of X11. You can use OroborOSX to correct this, but that takes a long time to launch and is still a beta, as well as adding yet another layer to the processes. On my machine, creating an .Xmodmap to correct this caused the X server to crash repeatedly; not sure why, I don't have enough experience with this sort of thing. So I end up using ESC, and it works well enough. Kudos to Apple for building OS X over a BSD platform; however, they still don't quite "get it" as far as the Unix end goes.