From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Paul W. Rankin" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: Why is Elisp slow? Date: Fri, 03 May 2019 11:45:26 +1000 Message-ID: References: <20190502075617.GA18331@tuxteam.de> <874l6d3ylg.fsf@mbork.pl> <20190502131827.GA28987@tuxteam.de> <83k1f8q39o.fsf@gnu.org> <87woj8bqho.fsf@telefonica.net> <83tvecocvv.fsf@gnu.org> <87sgtwboot.fsf@telefonica.net> <83muk4obfd.fsf@gnu.org> <20190502214006.4fdsinp7u5xuqvdv@Ergus> <20190503004416.xfuzzucflp6bxpuz@Ergus> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Injection-Info: blaine.gmane.org; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:195.159.176.226"; logging-data="161907"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@blaine.gmane.org" User-Agent: mu4e 1.0; emacs 26.2 Cc: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org, =?utf-8?B?7KGw7ISx67mI?= To: Ergus Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri May 03 03:46:01 2019 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1hMNGy-000fum-0J for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Fri, 03 May 2019 03:46:01 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:32865 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1hMNGx-000441-04 for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Thu, 02 May 2019 21:45:59 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:48206) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1hMNGd-00042T-2H for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 02 May 2019 21:45:39 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1hMNGa-0002LL-Ca for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 02 May 2019 21:45:37 -0400 Original-Received: from wout4-smtp.messagingengine.com ([64.147.123.20]:59145) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1hMNGZ-0002K0-Gw for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 02 May 2019 21:45:36 -0400 Original-Received: from compute3.internal (compute3.nyi.internal [10.202.2.43]) by mailout.west.internal (Postfix) with ESMTP id 83CB692A; Thu, 2 May 2019 21:45:31 -0400 (EDT) Original-Received: from mailfrontend1 ([10.202.2.162]) by compute3.internal (MEProxy); Thu, 02 May 2019 21:45:31 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=paulwrankin.com; h=references:from:to:cc:subject:in-reply-to:date:message-id :mime-version:content-type; s=fm3; bh=zyguNK19YLuSsUEMKIDFcwQbB5 rXnJzyhVHI28Ypu/Y=; b=ncs+myXi1AoEdMMYrxnOIfZKOWCDfjbBxz7reY7H4h 95dPsJ55PQQBsGxLOher+SJgPcu1qZBWErr49LU8KSSW/gsZ92eW26DgymzcID3b VOtzyvPRlTh/Mfrnu0gJFjCdvcESK42IBHxo3LxqDqx45vpLNVimV733d9OBbrK9 l6osO9nQ6HryuhK2SiA6Ld0c5MT8ovmvhlP6o8NMPMDLZy6Vp3NRiy6VBEFAYzkw YDEgnUQ4Uf7actuyLewjxadUlW8YBnHXBiII+TnyCoYosqBCqlpECj0R49YYp15y hlmtKoZ4zJzUn0d2FGx4X7OKUZeRpaJ+n2j0YK/Mnikg== DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d= messagingengine.com; h=cc:content-type:date:from:in-reply-to :message-id:mime-version:references:subject:to:x-me-proxy :x-me-proxy:x-me-sender:x-me-sender:x-sasl-enc; s=fm2; bh=zyguNK 19YLuSsUEMKIDFcwQbB5rXnJzyhVHI28Ypu/Y=; b=y01Bnqo2e9WNMGCMt3QY3L 5N4Msfpeo5dyoGorwdH+SXiSnr514+nNJEN1mlSOzKqv9FPixSmeVYh4QQmEggir c1ClLWWh0x9DkxO3UDZ1s96sfIhG1q5g3pI6nvWfCMJSc17mbU/bh0eoOitFVeRj RcR9ADX515tDNgyVBAvMidLUvyFQc4YjbTpIb4z95Gad+6PUdD2MRCLDBFpP29Er MPGKFnyHdkpAHCwqmnveupKzWxqnVM1W7O27+abWARxezs8fs4it9BHE9ym+OjoO WjCFxHVRn5YX5SdXEARsiJ8odqH1M57ShTCUc4uVCPGNelaybY6ZYdRzOsW823aQ == X-ME-Sender: X-ME-Proxy-Cause: gggruggvucftvghtrhhoucdtuddrgeduuddrjedtgdehudcutefuodetggdotefrodftvf curfhrohhfihhlvgemucfhrghsthforghilhdpqfgfvfdpuffrtefokffrpgfnqfghnecu uegrihhlohhuthemuceftddtnecunecujfgurhepfhgfhffvufgjfffkgggtsehttdertd dtredtnecuhfhrohhmpedfrfgruhhlucghrdcutfgrnhhkihhnfdcuoehhvghllhhosehp rghulhifrhgrnhhkihhnrdgtohhmqeenucffohhmrghinhepphgruhhlfihrrghnkhhinh drtghomhenucfkphepudeggedrudeftddrudehiedruddvleenucfrrghrrghmpehmrghi lhhfrhhomhephhgvlhhlohesphgruhhlfihrrghnkhhinhdrtghomhenucevlhhushhtvg hrufhiiigvpedt X-ME-Proxy: Original-Received: from localhost (unknown [144.130.156.129]) by mail.messagingengine.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 46443E40C3; Thu, 2 May 2019 21:45:30 -0400 (EDT) In-reply-to: <20190503004416.xfuzzucflp6bxpuz@Ergus> X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 64.147.123.20 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "help-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:120147 Archived-At: On Fri, May 03 2019, Ergus wrote: > Actually I think that these days will be easier to find new C/C++ > developers for emacs than Lisp developers. Lisp and Scheme are > beautiful, but they require a different way of thinking and a lot of > time (own experience, I am just starting with it.) One reason why I > can't convince my friends to use Emacs is actually how Lisp scares > them > ((())()'()). Emacs Lisp was the fist programming language I learnt (really as a means to an end to make a major mode I wanted). I found Elisp elegant and easy to understand; the parens make it clear where each expression begins and ends, functions are always the first element, and the documentation is incredibly accessible for a noob/hobbyist programmer. I find other languages difficult/inaccessible by comparison. -- https://www.paulwrankin.com