From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Joe Davison Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: Does Carbon Emacs ignore ~/.emacs ? Date: Thu, 08 May 2003 15:08:52 GMT Organization: AT&T Broadband Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+gnu-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Message-ID: References: <39d9c156.0305022345.33c850aa@posting.google.com> <39d9c156.0305032129.63ee6ce9@posting.google.com> <39d9c156.0305071625.25c3c244@posting.google.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: main.gmane.org 1052407079 28791 80.91.224.249 (8 May 2003 15:17:59 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@main.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 8 May 2003 15:17:59 +0000 (UTC) Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+gnu-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Thu May 08 17:17:58 2003 Return-path: Original-Received: from monty-python.gnu.org ([199.232.76.173]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 19Dn7U-0007Fe-00 for ; Thu, 08 May 2003 17:15:40 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.10.13) id 19Dn7y-000622-02 for gnu-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Thu, 08 May 2003 11:16:10 -0400 Original-Path: shelby.stanford.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!paloalto-snf1.gtei.net!mtvwca1-snh1.ops.genuity.net!news.gtei.net!chcgil2-snh1.gtei.net!news.bbnplanet.com!wn12feed!worldnet.att.net!204.127.198.204!attbi_feed4!attbi.com!sccrnsc03.POSTED!not-for-mail Original-Followup-To: comp.sys.mac.apps Original-Newsgroups: gnu.emacs.help,comp.sys.mac.apps User-Agent: Gnus/5.1001 (Gnus v5.10.1) XEmacs/21.5 (brussels sprouts, darwin) Cancel-Lock: sha1:+VITIm6QAihbo+Kp5WHFxNQumQ8= Original-Lines: 56 Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.211.130.208 Original-X-Complaints-To: abuse@attbi.com Original-X-Trace: sccrnsc03 1052406532 12.211.130.208 (Thu, 08 May 2003 15:08:52 GMT) Original-NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 08 May 2003 15:08:52 GMT Original-Xref: shelby.stanford.edu gnu.emacs.help:112952 comp.sys.mac.apps:360877 Original-To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1b5 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+gnu-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:9447 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.help:9447 On 7 May 2003, bk_usenet@yahoo.co.uk wrote: > Joe Davison wrote ... > > > > > Isn't there a version of emacs for aqua? > > > > > > Yes, that's the "carbonised" Emacs, hence Carbon Emacs, I am > > > talking about. > > > > > That's good to know, I use it when I don't feel like starting X11 > > and using xemacs. However the version at > > http://emacs-on-aqua.sourceforge.net/ appears to be version 20.7 > > while you started off talking about version 21.1.30, which I presume > > you built yourself? > > No, I downloaded it as a binary from > > http://www.porkrind.org/emacs/offsite-mirror1/Emacs-21.1.tar.gz > > However, at this point in time, I have to ***stress*** that I do > *not* recommend this build *at all*. For me, it exhibits behaviour > that I am convinced no Emacs user would ever tolerate. YMMV, but you > have been warned ;-) > I've read the other thread. Have you tried the version I mentioned? I know the "7.0.1" version ran on 10.1.5, because I was using it -- it broke when I moved to 10.2, so there are clearly compatibility issues there. However, the version I was using on 10.1.5 did NOT have most of the problems you mentioned. Almost all "normal emacs" commands worked, including C-x modifier commands and the kill & yank (cut & paste) commands -- using the "normal emacs" keybindings. Mac conventions were NOT followed, but the version was very functional -- nothing like the problems you've mentioned. With the version I'm running, the situation is almost the same, although there is more mac-like functionality -- For instance, drag & drop pasting works one-way -- mac-app (Safari) to emacs, but not the other direction. C-x C-c works to quit, as does the "Quit Emacs" menu item, but not the window close button. As an added "feature" :-) Cmd-C (mac copy) also quits the application, "unexpectedly". This is on 10.2.5 (and 10.2.6), so it's only of academic interest to you. Since it sounds like the later versions don't have this problem, it's probably time for me to follow the advice and build myself a new version. I do wish you luck in getting answers to your specific questions. I suspect the simplest answer for your ilisp startup docs might be - "you'll be better off by far if you upgrade to Jaguar before you try this", since I suspect everything works, including the mac cut & past by setting the key-bindings that were listed. The Jaguar upgrade is worth the price (if you've got the funds) -- for lots of reasons. It also will require upgrading your Developer Tools, but there's a DevTools CD among the others, at least in my upgrade package. I think they've been upgraded again (December,2002) however, so you'd want to download/copy the CD for those, too. joe