From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Paul Rankin Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: pirate bay, w3m, and the interface is just an interface (BEST post ever) Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2014 15:45:41 +1000 Message-ID: References: <87k31v83eb.fsf@debian.uxu> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1418535981 31671 80.91.229.3 (14 Dec 2014 05:46:21 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2014 05:46:21 +0000 (UTC) Cc: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org To: Stefan Monnier Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sun Dec 14 06:46:12 2014 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Y020R-000874-Rf for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sun, 14 Dec 2014 06:46:11 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:35093 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Y020Q-0000MW-Sk for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sun, 14 Dec 2014 00:46:10 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:41973) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Y020B-0000MR-H2 for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 14 Dec 2014 00:46:00 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Y0206-0004tm-DX for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 14 Dec 2014 00:45:55 -0500 Original-Received: from out3-smtp.messagingengine.com ([66.111.4.27]:50555) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Y0206-0004tg-0p for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 14 Dec 2014 00:45:50 -0500 Original-Received: from compute2.internal (compute2.nyi.internal [10.202.2.42]) by mailout.nyi.internal (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5C51020941 for ; Sun, 14 Dec 2014 00:45:49 -0500 (EST) Original-Received: from frontend1 ([10.202.2.160]) by compute2.internal (MEProxy); Sun, 14 Dec 2014 00:45:49 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=tilk.co; h= x-sasl-enc:references:from:to:cc:subject:in-reply-to:date :message-id:mime-version:content-type; s=mesmtp; bh=M0zDx1E6HA8H 8o7IbzERZnc233c=; b=E8dtEdtUozLdEwBxfBjOEDAAMEtE89Lm8WiXNcFIOx5I Q8af9BMBCoK4kZ3+GB4Vt7qteu8nTVPQORQK/HurlCHqvd0uToc41AV7TKr0GPa/ UCSM2aMwOp8f4yHQbFK/are/9mZO37cfdRBLJbmFQBE4IskPqCASEwQi32vfbIQ= DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d= messagingengine.com; h=x-sasl-enc:references:from:to:cc:subject :in-reply-to:date:message-id:mime-version:content-type; s= smtpout; bh=M0zDx1E6HA8H8o7IbzERZnc233c=; b=qsxLd0JbWVKD9A52HD+8 cLfEWm5dCgZtKjWtwsTikeZOkLg/AP2t2Vfed1oszTBKESzrV8YzUnlGNzk0kC9M Yocvku4kQrXrZAc/zIfGCrh9XTK6Ryq4g5PL/peTsa/NLaFlvvTdTP5anUDFk1Be G0bRgSdJJxXct5WLX84ByTs= X-Sasl-enc: LSFhQajCkLvBsOT3QdPUu151KfZot6TNRKcYto9AUgMb 1418535948 Original-Received: from Paul-Rankins-MacBook-Pro.local (unknown [202.0.190.43]) by mail.messagingengine.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA id EBF74C0027D; Sun, 14 Dec 2014 00:45:47 -0500 (EST) In-reply-to: X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-Received-From: 66.111.4.27 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:101562 Archived-At: Stefan Monnier at 15:14 on 14 Dec 2014: > Most illegal copying doesn't hurt any artist, but only hurts companies > that engage in entertainment. Notice that they don't call themselves > "the cinema industry" but "the entertainment industry", and indeed > 99% of it has nothing to do with art. It seems that this kind of naive armchair perspective is spouted so profusely that its validity is taken prima facie. No, the companies in question don't gnash their teeth and take the losses, they pass them on, mostly to their predominately middle-class workforce, but also by shifting output to focus exclusively on opening-weekend, merchandise-friendly fare and away from anything "cinematic" in the Steven Soderbergh sense. It is myopic to suggest piracy has no affect on cinema-as-art when it has all but killed it. Please don't perpetuate this kind of false Robin Hood myth, it's wilfully ignorant self-interest under a thin veil of trumped up "people vs the system" garbage. Whatever of this self-deception one practices, the truth is piracy is stealing from real people.