From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: VanL Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: AI and Lisp Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2019 20:40:51 +1000 Message-ID: References: <8636k0yxf6.fsf@zoho.eu> <8636h8l6hx.fsf@zoho.eu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Info: blaine.gmane.org; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:195.159.176.226"; logging-data="230378"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@blaine.gmane.org" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/26.3 (darwin) To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Sep 20 12:42:47 2019 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1iBGNC-000xoA-Qj for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Fri, 20 Sep 2019 12:42:46 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:57580 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1iBGNB-00028d-2s for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Fri, 20 Sep 2019 06:42:45 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:60786) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1iBGN0-00028V-3v for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 20 Sep 2019 06:42:35 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1iBGMy-0001DJ-GW for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 20 Sep 2019 06:42:33 -0400 Original-Received: from 195-159-176-226.customer.powertech.no ([195.159.176.226]:37602 helo=blaine.gmane.org) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1iBGMy-0001Ci-5Z for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 20 Sep 2019 06:42:32 -0400 Original-Received: from list by blaine.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1iBGMt-000xWI-Ta for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 20 Sep 2019 12:42:27 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Cancel-Lock: sha1:p/sa+qxXgPwV7okpgQmprYxg73E= X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 195.159.176.226 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "help-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:121537 Archived-At: Emanuel Berg via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor writes: >> [1] https://www.edge.org/conversation/w_daniel_hillis-emergences >> [2] >> https://blog.stephenwolfram.com/2019/08/a-book-from-alan-turing-and-a-mysterious-piece-of-paper/ >> [3] https://pron.github.io/posts/computation-logic-algebra-pt1 > > OK, so after reading all these, where would you > say the starting point is? Have you seen the John McCarthy interview in which he says he is waiting for whoever has AI to let him know they have per? What do you mean AI? [1] The long and the short of it is [2] [3]. You can start at information theory [4] (at 12-minute mark) or representation theory [5] [6]. John Carmack was saying on Joe Rogan's #1369 podcast that a programmer operating the Neuralink on their own mind may get trapped in their pleasure center. Notice how he flows Judo and Rocket Science differently. [1] https://youtu.be/cvOTKFXpvKA The thinking machine (1961) [2] https://youtu.be/aHGd6LqAVzw When Elon Musk realised China's richest man is... [3] Youtu.be Artificial Intelligence and International Affairs with Dr. Dario Gil | Foreign Policy Association [4] Youtu.be Neuralink Launch Event | Neuralink [5] http://www-groups.dcs.st-and.ac.uk/%7Ehistory/Biographies/Frobenius.html [6] https://youtu.be/dEv99vxKjVI at 32-minute mark EM asks, "What's outside the simulation?" #1369 Youtu.be Joe Rogan Experience | PowerfulJRE | #1369 John Carmack -- © 2019 VanL gpg using EEF2 37E9 3840 0D5D 9183 251E 9830 384E 9683 B835 'If the bug bites don't fight it.' - Nancy S. Steinhardt