From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Tim McNamara Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: Icon designer wanted (Aquamacs Emacs) Date: Thu, 05 Jan 2006 08:10:04 -0600 Organization: ipHouse - Welcome Home! Message-ID: References: <54321A2A-3F36-4416-B473-49AC11FF057F@gmail.com> <853bk5gwa8.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> <792D87C1-B9A9-495E-9335-7139845D1CB0@gmail.com> <85fyo4zvei.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> <87sls47lvd.fsf@vh213602.truman.edu> <85wthftsme.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> <85mziasu6z.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1136481582 14984 80.91.229.2 (5 Jan 2006 17:19:42 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2006 17:19:42 +0000 (UTC) Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Thu Jan 05 18:19:40 2006 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by ciao.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EuYlo-0004fy-6s for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Thu, 05 Jan 2006 18:19:25 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EuYnX-0000yY-Rp for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Thu, 05 Jan 2006 12:21:11 -0500 Original-Path: shelby.stanford.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews.google.com!news4.google.com!news.glorb.com!green.octanews.net!news-out.octanews.net!news-1.mpls.iphouse.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Original-Newsgroups: gnu.emacs.help User-Agent: Gnus/5.11 (Gnus v5.11) Emacs/22.0.50 (darwin) Cancel-Lock: sha1:eluPeMMrvToiMMWXVTjVodhjQ0E= Original-Lines: 65 Original-NNTP-Posting-Date: 05 Jan 2006 08:10:05 CST Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: ae3bd3ad.newsreader.iphouse.net Original-X-Trace: DXC=l?1^XjmjhoHKVQI\d:f1CGUU[C:R=]MbJeHS>e[L>83@oi:QXoJGa List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:32450 Archived-At: David Kastrup writes: > Tim McNamara writes: > >> David Kastrup writes: >> >>> Tim McNamara writes: >>> >>>> If proponents of free software ever expect to have their products >>>> in the mainstream and not just the province of geeks, then they >>>> had better >>> >>> Why should I be bothered about the mainstream? Why should I >>> applaud moves that focus improving software only on non-free >>> systems? There is absolutely nothing for me in that. >> >> IMHO that is a narrow and self-centered viewpoint. Fortunately >> there are other viewpoints that include thinking more broadly about >> trying to increase freedom rather than burying one's head in the >> sand and capitulating. > > The words of a MacOSX user that applauds moves that disregard > anybody except MacOSX users. I doubt it gets any narrower and > self-centered than that. Once again distorting what other people say in order to "prove" your point. It's classic Usenet polemic, but invalid all the same. >> I'd be very disappointed if that was the official attitude of the >> GNU project! > > Of course the official attitude of the GNU project is to promote > free software, and free systems. It has always been that, right > from the beginning. Your attitude, unfortunately, is in opposition to that. You seem to be working very hard on creating a self-fulfilling prophecy. There are two sides to every story, even though you seem unwilling to grasp this simple fact. GNU's approach is not perfect and contributed to the XEmacs fork; you seem to be trying to singlehandedly replicate those errors in the case of Aquamacs. > That you greed after software that can't be used on free systems and > promote not bothering about free systems does not change that. Oh, stop twisting and distorting what other people write so that you can remain righteous. Sheesh. > It is not uncommon to confuse freedom with unfettered egoism in our > society. > > But the important part of freedom is not the freedom to take. It is > the freedom to give and cooperate. And that is what the GNU project > has been about from the start. It's too bad that you are determined to be narrow minded and utterly convinced of your rightness, and fail to be willing to look beyond your narrow world view. It's also a poor reflection on gnu.org that you are determined to denigrate and insult anyone who has the temerity to disagree with you. Dogmatism is never pretty and almost never results in progress. Attitudes like yours do nothing but damage the free software movement and will result in it being little more than a footnote in computer history.