From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eric Brown Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: package for Email Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2023 08:44:12 -0600 Message-ID: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="28949"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Cc: "help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org" To: Gottfried Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Thu Jan 19 12:25:54 2023 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1pIT3J-0007O3-UM for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Thu, 19 Jan 2023 12:25:53 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1pIT2q-0002Lj-H1; Thu, 19 Jan 2023 06:25:26 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1pI9fp-0003Si-C2 for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 18 Jan 2023 09:44:21 -0500 Original-Received: from ci74p00im-qukt09082501.me.com ([17.57.156.14]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1pI9fn-00046p-R4 for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 18 Jan 2023 09:44:21 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=mac.com; s=1a1hai; t=1674053054; bh=LcQHGytRMCXbRKEaS1uaoa0UJn6YcgeaPP4yw307MeM=; h=From:To:Subject:Date:Message-ID:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=QsvmbMC25zwmIQkSRwAG9/4h70EqFrZ41uT0Uw4cQHb3U/m32o+5xOTq4mMpqqs61 1QgUGSQEWxUjGj0R65aFRr8sQTbRkxgw6UFXdeoOMKIJoxAQBgGj4btlO5NGJSRrGL SF00M5e6YHRxlgmpGA5rGKwmiguc1GT5Lthg7zTsBWrEssQHsBuYUuiDdt4D9Gzd+x BiKclKNkGI7oc9nJkKc6huiph5JTHFN9OLbEP9LCA1LOT8GRstaftLCESeqUgr+B2u DqgzpQSJcfT91mmxnpCioNpEIztBjVnCowYTUpPOwhwxBfhE5pkGSB2t4YSqi7r3X3 viVElaNvoNtSg== Original-Received: from localhost (ci77p00im-dlb-asmtp-mailmevip.me.com [17.57.156.26]) by ci74p00im-qukt09082501.me.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id BDC9E4AA0509; Wed, 18 Jan 2023 14:44:13 +0000 (UTC) In-Reply-To: (gottfried@posteo.de's message of "Wed, 18 Jan 2023 13:56:20 +0000") Mail-reply-to: Eric Brown Mail-followup-to: Eric Brown X-Proofpoint-GUID: PhYa6Ij6TqWTKYLMsODRcFGFho1kEsdU X-Proofpoint-ORIG-GUID: PhYa6Ij6TqWTKYLMsODRcFGFho1kEsdU X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: =?UTF-8?Q?vendor=3Dfsecure_engine=3D1.1.170-22c6f66c430a71ce266a39bfe25bc?= =?UTF-8?Q?2903e8d5c8f:6.0.138,18.0.572,17.11.62.513.0000000_definitions?= =?UTF-8?Q?=3D2020-02-14=5F11:2020-02-14=5F02,2020-02-14=5F11,2021-12-02?= =?UTF-8?Q?=5F01_signatures=3D0?= X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 suspectscore=0 adultscore=0 phishscore=0 clxscore=1011 bulkscore=0 mlxscore=0 malwarescore=0 mlxlogscore=999 spamscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=8.12.0-2209130000 definitions=main-2301180125 Received-SPF: pass client-ip=17.57.156.14; envelope-from=eric.c.brown@mac.com; helo=ci74p00im-qukt09082501.me.com X-Spam_score_int: 0 X-Spam_score: -0.1 X-Spam_bar: / X-Spam_report: (-0.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, ODD_FREEM_REPTO=2.731, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=no autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-Mailman-Approved-At: Thu, 19 Jan 2023 06:24:54 -0500 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.help:142392 Archived-At: Gottfried writes: > Hi everybody, > > I am using thunderbird for emails. > My question: > > 1. Which Email package do you use? > Can you tell your experience with your email package? > I enjoy using Emacs for email. The main issue is that (corporate/work) providers seem to be locking down user/password access which precludes easy connection. > 2. Does it make sense for me as an emacs-newbie to change from using thunderbird > to an emacs email package? > Not unless you need: * Advanced Email Processing * Text-based interface to email (where GUI-restricted thunderbird is not * an option) > 3. There are > Rmail, GNU, Wanderlust, Mu4e etc... > I've used all of them, and they are all pretty good. I use Gnus because I started emacs when Usenet was big. Gnus can (fortuitously) manage IMAP and other mail box formats. I use Gnus for my "email" and Rmail I usually configure to manage the mail on the current system that I am working on, i.e. the mail spool > 4. I prefer to habe folders because I like to have an overview. > Mu4e doesn't have folders. > You have to evaluate for yourself if this is a blocker, but that would sound like one to me. I'd confirm this to be the case though. > 5. I want IMAP. > Do all of them provide IMAP? (does Rmail now provide IMAP)? > Yes, practically for Rmail you need mailutils compiled with tls support. > 6. Wanderlust seems to be more difficult to set up, and I still have trouble > because I am an Emacs-newbie. > No comment. > 7. Which one is easier to use? > No comment, I tried and failed to get Gnus going, but eventually it clicked and I haven't bothered migrating. > 8. Should I start with Rmail? and later switch to GNU? > They are not alternatives. Rmail has been asserted by at least one expert to be the default program. I use both but I could probably do everything in Gnus, and do so day-to-day. > At the moment I don't need GNU for reading news etc... > > 9. Or is it useful to start with GNU because it has more options and I have to > learn it anyhow? and I can use it with org-mode? > Yes, and yes. You can draft in org and convert to HTML-based email. Nice for tables, etc. I also use org-contacts to TAB-populate To: > 10. Do all of them have the same or similar keybindings or do I have to learn > for each one separate keybindings? > They share emacs navigation. But I would say Gnus has a more "modal" keybinding, with a leader key and then another more specific. G t (Groups) A t (Articles) T n (Topics) etc. > 11. What are the benefits compared to thunderbird? It is different. I also use thunderbird because I like to check email on my tablet with a stylus. These are not alternatives. > A. Only the keybindings of Emacs I can use and in knowing them it will be > easier in future to handle it? > B. It is within emacs and uses less CPU > C...... When Gnus threads (sorts by conversation) it can take a while on groups with large messages, e.g. loading emacs-help and emacs-devel and requesting all messages. e.g. historical research. Emacs with native-comp has completely changed the game for me, and allows pretty much care-free browsing of groups without worry about a lockup during processing. (I actually use a separate Emacs process for doing this, so my other activities aren't blocked.) Best regards, Eric