From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Tim McNamara Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: Icon designer wanted (Aquamacs Emacs) Date: Wed, 04 Jan 2006 17:50:21 -0600 Organization: ipHouse - Welcome Home! Message-ID: References: <54321A2A-3F36-4416-B473-49AC11FF057F@gmail.com> <853bk5gwa8.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> <792D87C1-B9A9-495E-9335-7139845D1CB0@gmail.com> <85fyo4zvei.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> <87sls47lvd.fsf@vh213602.truman.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1136418914 14785 80.91.229.2 (4 Jan 2006 23:55:14 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2006 23:55:14 +0000 (UTC) Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Thu Jan 05 00:55:13 2006 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by ciao.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EuITB-0008A9-Hh for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Thu, 05 Jan 2006 00:55:06 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EuIUs-0001qx-RN for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Wed, 04 Jan 2006 18:56:50 -0500 Original-Path: shelby.stanford.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!newsfeed.news.ucla.edu!canoe.uoregon.edu!hammer.uoregon.edu!news.glorb.com!green.octanews.net!news-out.octanews.net!news-1.mpls.iphouse.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Original-Newsgroups: gnu.emacs.help User-Agent: Gnus/5.11 (Gnus v5.11) Emacs/22.0.50 (darwin) Cancel-Lock: sha1:fBvqvEZQTr+LqUiFXEqgZXViHTk= Original-Lines: 27 Original-NNTP-Posting-Date: 04 Jan 2006 17:50:22 CST Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: fe12aa5a.newsreader.iphouse.net Original-X-Trace: DXC=DWOl_B@; X`UXMkU3_QlY5YUU[C:R=]MbZeHS>e[L>83PdNZYP4P^aKRm:@8]TdIggUf@e7N90MVd]M>X9hVob_oX Original-X-Complaints-To: abuse@iphouse.net Original-Xref: shelby.stanford.edu gnu.emacs.help:136812 Original-To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:32431 Archived-At: Jay Belanger writes: > Tim McNamara writes: >> David Kastrup writes: > ... >> Jeez, dude. Drink a little less coffee. Take a deep breath. Go >> for a walk. Un-knot your undies. And stop insulting everybody in >> sight. Whatever. >> >> > > Hardly an intemperate rant; it was thoughtful explanation of why > improvements to Emacs should be made with at least the possibility > of helping all Emacs users. Feel free to disagree, but don't > pretend it's something it's not. I don't disagree in principle. Free software in the GNU/FSF sense is vitally important IMHO. The uncalled-for tetchiness is what bothers me. Perhaps David K did not mean to sound grumpy and rude, but he certainly came across that way. If proponents of free software ever expect to have their products in the mainstream and not just the province of geeks, then they had better learn the value of good customer service, and of good interface design and human useability. And we might as well treat each other with civility rather than disdain as a good way to develop that attitude.