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X-Received-From: 2a00:1450:4864:20::430 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "help-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:119516 Archived-At: Yuri Khan writes: > On Thu, Feb 21, 2019 at 9:39 PM Robert Pluim wrote: > >> >> The maximum member bounce score before the member's subscription is >> >> disabled. This value can be a floating point number. >> >> (Details for bounce_score_threshold) 5.0 >> >> 5 bounced messages at a rate of one per day, not 5 bounces total, no? >> >> increment by 0.5. We only increment the bounce score once per day, so >> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ >> even if we receive ten hard bounces from a member per day, their score >> will increase by only 1 for that day. > > I am on Gmail and I have received a suspension notification today. I > can attest that I have *not* experienced a contiguous 5-day interval > without any new messages in help-gnu-emacs or emacs-devel. But there might have been a total of 5 bounces over a longer period. If I read the manual correctly, the bounce score is reset only after 7 days of no bounces, there=CA=BCs no daily decrement. > This might mean *some* of the list messages bounce, and that is enough > to push my score over the threshold. Unfortunately I do not know how > to get details on which messages bounced and what the server said. Yes, that info is on the list admin side. So this is all conjecture. Robert