From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Howard Melman Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: Proposal: "C-z " reserved for users Date: Sun, 07 Feb 2021 21:06:30 -0500 Message-ID: References: <1973673328.2493716.1612740554692.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1973673328.2493716.1612740554692@mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="32875"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/27.1 (darwin) To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Cancel-Lock: sha1:kUT1GjdlZ6djlzAcwIZ0TUqq7jI= Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Mon Feb 08 03:07:19 2021 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1l8vxO-0008Sn-VG for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Mon, 08 Feb 2021 03:07:18 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:44086 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1l8vxO-0002Fi-10 for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Sun, 07 Feb 2021 21:07:18 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:53914) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1l8vwm-0002FP-62 for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 07 Feb 2021 21:06:40 -0500 Original-Received: from ciao.gmane.io ([116.202.254.214]:43600) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1l8vwk-0003r9-SF for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 07 Feb 2021 21:06:39 -0500 Original-Received: from list by ciao.gmane.io with local (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1l8vwi-0007f9-Pz for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 08 Feb 2021 03:06:36 +0100 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Received-SPF: pass client-ip=116.202.254.214; envelope-from=geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; helo=ciao.gmane.io X-Spam_score_int: 5 X-Spam_score: 0.5 X-Spam_bar: / X-Spam_report: (0.5 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED=0.001, FORGED_GMAIL_RCVD=1, FREEMAIL_FORGED_FROMDOMAIN=0.248, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS=0.248, NML_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED=0.9, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=no autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "help-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.help:127657 Archived-At: S Boucher via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor writes: > C-z is bound to a low frequency use function (suspend-frame)... and > speaking for myself, I probably can count on one hand the number of > times I've used it in the last 25years :-) > > I would suggest:1) move suspend-frame to "C-c C-z" (that > is still a quick shortcut) 2) reserve C-z for users > That still leaves a whole lot with C-z C-... C-z M-... FWIW I used to bind the ctl-x-5-map to C-z add was happier typing C-z f than C-x 5 f. I shifted to this frame oriented transient on C-z for a while now and have been happy. I'm sure it could be improved but as a first attempt it's been pretty good for me. ;;; frame commands from ctl-x-5-map (define-transient-command hrm-frame-transient () "Frame commands mirroring ctl-x-5-map" ["Configure Frames" ["Manage" ("2" "New" make-frame-command) ("0" "Delete" delete-frame) ("k" "Kill Frame & Buffer" kill-buffer-and-frame) ("1" "Delete others" delete-other-frames) ] ["Select" ("o" "Other" other-frame) ("n" "Next" other-frame) ("p" "Previous" select-previous-frame) ] ["Display" ("-" "Fixed Width" variable-pitch-mode) ("l" "Lower" lower-frame) ("=" "Maximize" toggle-frame-maximized) ("i" "Iconify" iconify-frame) ] ["Move" ("<" "Left" move-frame-left :transient t) (">" "Right" move-frame-right :transient t) ] ] ["Open in other Frame" ["Files" ("b" "Buffer" switch-to-buffer-other-frame) ("C-o" "Buffer other frame" display-buffer-other-frame) ("C-f" "File" find-file-other-frame) ("f" "File" find-file-other-frame) ("r" "File Read-Only" find-file-read-only-other-frame) ] ["Apps" ("d" "Dired" dired-other-frame) ("." "Xref" xref-find-definitions-other-frame) ("m" "Compose Mail" compose-mail-other-frame) ] ["Help For" ("V" "Variable" find-variable-other-frame) ("F" "Function" find-function-other-frame) ("K" "Key" find-function-on-key-other-frame) ("L" "Library" find-library-other-frame) ] ] ) (global-set-key (kbd "C-z") 'hrm-frame-transient) -- Howard