From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Howard Melman Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: not good proposal: "C-z " reserved for users Date: Fri, 12 Feb 2021 16:05:44 -0500 Message-ID: References: <87r1llsuxq.fsf@robertthorpeconsulting.com> <0e37cf97-b9ee-e3af-16e3-3a312c47e75f@yandex.ru> <329d68a5edb1128c1e5b@heytings.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="8862"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/27.1 (darwin) To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Cancel-Lock: sha1:3k/Qb9c0/TDRr3kAtqCSWrY8RSc= Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Fri Feb 12 22:09:20 2021 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1lAfgm-0002CT-J7 for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Fri, 12 Feb 2021 22:09:20 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:58652 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lAfgl-0008MB-MK for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Fri, 12 Feb 2021 16:09:19 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:39742) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lAfdZ-0006gP-T3 for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 12 Feb 2021 16:06:02 -0500 Original-Received: from ciao.gmane.io ([116.202.254.214]:53880) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lAfdQ-0008Dx-E8 for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 12 Feb 2021 16:05:56 -0500 Original-Received: from list by ciao.gmane.io with local (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1lAfdN-0008pw-Gd for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 12 Feb 2021 22:05:49 +0100 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Received-SPF: pass client-ip=116.202.254.214; envelope-from=geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; helo=ciao.gmane.io X-Spam_score_int: 5 X-Spam_score: 0.5 X-Spam_bar: / X-Spam_report: (0.5 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED=0.001, FORGED_GMAIL_RCVD=1, FREEMAIL_FORGED_FROMDOMAIN=0.25, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS=0.25, NML_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED=0.9, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=no autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "help-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.help:127871 Archived-At: Jean Louis writes: > Ctrl-Z is mentioned as suspending the job in almost every popular > shell on GNU/Linux systems and BSD systems. Number of installations of > those systems in Internet prevails. Administrators access it through > shell. I'm aware there are terminal emacs users, I'm just not one of them. You seemed to have missed the part where I said "In the terminal it's suspend and in the GUI move (and rename via an alias) the ctl-x-5-map to C-z.". I was proposing to leave the binding of C-z in terminal emacs to be a suspend function and just change it in the GUI. >> This then frees up C-x 5 as a prefix key. It's probably a >> year too late (though this muscle memory can't be too strong >> yet), but I'd move the C-x t tab-bar commands to C-x 5 and >> free up the more convenient C-x t prefix for something else. >> It's not as convenient as an unbound C-z but it's something. >> And it also solves the wasted C-x 5 prefix in a terminal >> which no one seems to care about :) > > I have been using C-x 5 numerous times today and every day, last year > and last years. I hope that those user experiences may give you more > insights. Also the part where I said "I suspect this is changing something too longstanding to be considered but the subject is "not good proposal" so ..." -- Howard