From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: dkcombs@panix.com (David Combs) Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: Emacs keyboard Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2013 00:33:58 +0000 (UTC) Organization: Public Access Networks Corp. Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1357346117 13650 80.91.229.3 (5 Jan 2013 00:35:17 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2013 00:35:17 +0000 (UTC) To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sat Jan 05 01:35:34 2013 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1TrHjU-0001AF-Hm for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sat, 05 Jan 2013 01:35:28 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:47129 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1TrHjE-0006IE-R6 for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Fri, 04 Jan 2013 19:35:12 -0500 Original-Path: usenet.stanford.edu!panix!not-for-mail Original-Newsgroups: gnu.emacs.help Original-Lines: 15 Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: panix1.panix.com Original-X-Trace: reader1.panix.com 1357346038 16738 166.84.1.1 (5 Jan 2013 00:33:58 GMT) Original-X-Complaints-To: abuse@panix.com Original-NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2013 00:33:58 +0000 (UTC) X-Newsreader: trn 4.0-test76 (Apr 2, 2001) Original-Xref: usenet.stanford.edu gnu.emacs.help:196152 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:88457 Archived-At: I find that standard keyboards, with the control-key down at the bottom, a real pain to use with emacs, vi, and any other program that uses control-chars as commands. Sun (er, oracle) makes that type of keyboard, but also makes one with the control key immediately left of the "A" key, where it was on the original teletype-like machine (name escapes me now, but it ended in "33"). That placement sure makes it easier to use programs like emacs and vi. David