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From: Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca>
To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org
Subject: Re: using use-package
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 2015 16:31:03 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <jwvtws3uemc.fsf-monnier+gnu.emacs.help@gnu.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: mailman.8280.1439496850.904.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org

>> Please do keep us informed of those problems: it's indeed very important
>> to make package.el more robust.
> My hunch now is that the package brought with it an .elc file (probably
> magit.elc) compiled with the wrong Emacs version.

Sounds unlikely both because of the way the ELPA package gets built and
because many other people would have bumped into this problem.

> Removing all .elc and recompiling the directory seems to succeed (I've
> ditched magit now for anoter reason -- it doesn't like my git 1.7.x
> and wants 1.9.x, I'd have to resort to an older magit, sigh).
> I'll try to verify (or falsify) my hunch.

My crystal ball tells me that you upgraded Magit from an Emacs where the
previous Magit was already loaded, and the old (loaded) version
interfered while byte-compiling the new version.
[ The typical interference, looks like this: Emacs tries to compile
  foo-1.el which does (require 'foo-2) to get some macros, but (the old)
  `foo-2' is already loaded so we end up using the old version of the
  macros (or the macros may simply not be defined at all).  ]

This is a problem in package.el that hit Helm pretty badly, apparently.
We have a tentative patch for that in Emacs-25.

This said, if you've erased the old problematic .elc files it'll be
difficult to verify/falsify my hunch.

Tho maybe if you can re-install the previous version of Magit, then run
Emacs, then use Magit, then in that same Emacs session upgrade Magit,
you might be able to reproduce the problem.

>> We should probably also add a package-(re)compile command (after all,
>> the compilation step is conceptually independent from the actual
>> installation).
> Perhaps there should be a way for Emacs to find out that an .elc file
> doesn't match the current binary interface (I've been stumped by
> "wrong" .elc files (i.e such compiled by an Emacs with different
> byte code conventions) more than once).

Normally byte-code is upward compatible, so the problem is only if you
compile with Emacs-NN and then use that file with Emacs-MM where MM<NN.
Admittedly, handling this more cleanly would be good.


        Stefan


  parent reply	other threads:[~2015-08-13 20:31 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 106+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
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2015-08-05  5:35 ` using use-package Rusi
2015-08-05  5:57   ` Ian Zimmerman
     [not found]   ` <mailman.7832.1438754275.904.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2015-08-05 16:34     ` Rusi
2015-08-05 17:24       ` Ian Zimmerman
     [not found]       ` <mailman.7851.1438795470.904.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2015-08-06  1:34         ` Rusi
2015-08-06  1:54           ` Ian Zimmerman
     [not found]           ` <mailman.7873.1438826104.904.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2015-08-06  5:06             ` Rusi
2015-08-07 20:11               ` Grant Rettke
     [not found]               ` <mailman.7956.1438978281.904.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2015-08-08  2:36                 ` Rusi
2015-08-08 23:24                   ` Stefan Monnier
2015-08-10  2:25                     ` Grant Rettke
2015-08-10  9:52                     ` Phillip Lord
2015-08-10 21:25                       ` Stefan Monnier
2015-08-10 22:32                         ` Phillip Lord
     [not found]                       ` <mailman.8096.1439241947.904.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2016-06-28 13:02                         ` Rusi
2016-06-28 13:10                           ` Phillip Lord
     [not found]                           ` <mailman.235.1467119445.26859.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2016-06-28 13:14                             ` Rusi
2016-06-28 13:30                               ` Phillip Lord
2016-06-28 22:05                                 ` Stefan Monnier
2016-06-28 22:34                                   ` Phillip Lord
2016-06-29  7:38                                     ` Stefan Monnier
2016-06-29 17:02                                       ` Phillip Lord
2016-06-29 17:15                                         ` Drew Adams
2016-06-29 17:20                                           ` Phillip Lord
2016-06-30  7:25                                         ` Stefan Monnier
2016-06-30  9:04                                           ` Stefan Monnier
2016-06-30 14:03                                           ` Phillip Lord
2016-06-30 18:32                                             ` Stefan Monnier
2016-06-29  7:28                                   ` Andreas Röhler
2015-08-11  5:44                     ` John Wiegley
2015-08-11 15:22                       ` Stefan Monnier
2015-08-11 20:36                         ` Phillip Lord
2015-08-12 16:09                         ` John Wiegley
     [not found]                     ` <mailman.8067.1439200345.904.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2015-08-10 12:14                       ` Rusi
2015-08-11  9:20                       ` Sebastien Vauban
2015-08-11 10:04                         ` Nicolas Richard
2015-08-11 11:05                           ` Alexis
2015-08-11 11:16                             ` Nicolas Richard
2015-08-11 11:25                               ` Alexis
2015-08-11 20:42                         ` Phillip Lord
     [not found]                     ` <mailman.8114.1439272212.904.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2015-08-12 17:52                       ` Rusi
2015-08-12 18:20                         ` Ian Zimmerman
2015-08-13  1:13                           ` Stefan Monnier
2015-08-13  7:25                             ` tomas
2015-08-13 15:08                               ` Stefan Monnier
2015-08-13 20:14                                 ` tomas
     [not found]                                 ` <mailman.8280.1439496850.904.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2015-08-13 20:31                                   ` Stefan Monnier [this message]
2015-08-13 21:11                                     ` tomas
2015-08-13 21:52                                     ` Michael Heerdegen
2015-08-13 22:10                                       ` Stefan Monnier
2015-08-13 22:12                                       ` John Mastro
2015-08-13 22:25                                         ` Rasmus
2015-08-13 22:50                                           ` Stefan Monnier
2015-08-15 13:56                                             ` Rasmus
     [not found]                                             ` <mailman.8383.1439647006.904.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2015-08-15 15:46                                               ` Stefan Monnier
2015-08-14  4:09                                       ` Thierry Volpiatto
2015-08-13  9:07                             ` John Wiegley
2015-08-13 12:40                             ` Phillip Lord
2015-08-13 15:24                               ` Stefan Monnier
2015-08-13 16:02                                 ` Phillip Lord
2015-08-13 21:19                                   ` Stefan Monnier
2015-08-14  9:16                                     ` Phillip Lord
     [not found]                                     ` <mailman.8319.1439543792.904.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2015-08-14 13:59                                       ` Stefan Monnier
2015-08-14 14:41                                         ` Phillip Lord
     [not found]                                         ` <mailman.8328.1439563291.904.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2015-08-14 16:54                                           ` Stefan Monnier
     [not found]                                 ` <mailman.8263.1439481769.904.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2015-08-13 16:15                                   ` Stefan Monnier
2015-08-13 18:40                                     ` John Wiegley
2015-08-14  2:21                                     ` John Yates
2015-08-14  9:35                                     ` Phillip Lord
     [not found]                                     ` <mailman.8304.1439518900.904.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2015-08-14 13:51                                       ` Stefan Monnier
2015-08-14 16:10                                         ` John Yates
     [not found]                                     ` <mailman.8321.1439544925.904.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2015-08-14 14:04                                       ` Stefan Monnier
2015-08-14 14:49                                         ` Drew Adams
2015-08-14 16:06                                           ` Phillip Lord
2015-08-14 17:41                                             ` Drew Adams
     [not found]                           ` <mailman.8226.1439428438.904.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2015-08-13  2:07                             ` Rusi
     [not found]                   ` <mailman.7988.1439076276.904.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2015-08-09  2:43                     ` Rusi
2015-08-09 13:17                       ` Stefan Monnier
2015-08-09 16:14                         ` Rusi
2015-08-09 16:25                           ` Emanuel Berg
2015-08-09 16:45                           ` Stefan Monnier
2015-08-09 17:03                             ` Rusi
2015-08-09 17:17                               ` Stefan Monnier
2015-08-09 17:30                                 ` Rusi
2015-08-09 17:45                                   ` Stefan Monnier
2015-08-11  1:23                                   ` Robert Thorpe
2015-08-11  2:05                                     ` Emanuel Berg
2015-08-11 20:49                                     ` Phillip Lord
2015-08-13 15:27                                       ` Stefan Monnier
2015-08-14  5:12                                         ` Nikolay Kudryavtsev
2015-08-14  5:23                                           ` Edward Knyshov
2015-08-14  6:28                                             ` Nikolay Kudryavtsev
2015-08-14  6:44                                               ` Edward Knyshov
2015-08-14  6:46                                                 ` Edward Knyshov
2015-08-14  6:47                                                   ` Edward Knyshov
2015-08-14  9:29                                             ` Phillip Lord
     [not found]                                   ` <mailman.8104.1439256204.904.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2015-08-12 17:46                                     ` Rusi
2015-08-10  2:19                   ` Grant Rettke
     [not found]                   ` <mailman.8054.1439173196.904.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2015-08-10  3:41                     ` Rusi
2015-08-04 15:01 Sharon Kimble
2015-08-04 15:46 ` Chunyang Xu
2015-08-04 16:35 ` Phillip Lord
2015-08-04 18:24   ` Sharon Kimble
2015-08-04 19:18     ` Grant Rettke
2015-08-04 21:24     ` Phillip Lord
2015-08-05  1:20       ` Grant Rettke

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