From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Stefan Monnier via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: Enhancing ELisp for AI Work Date: Tue, 24 Dec 2024 10:25:26 -0500 Message-ID: References: <7290780.2375960.1734348492938.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <7290780.2375960.1734348492938@mail.yahoo.com> <6c53521e-4aa6-40d1-b4a5-0e00989ad201@easy-emacs.de> Reply-To: Stefan Monnier Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="33208"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Cancel-Lock: sha1:weYNn6yyGoSXw0xd6w1IZ01NvE8= Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Tue Dec 24 16:26:04 2024 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1tQ6nL-0008Vg-NE for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Tue, 24 Dec 2024 16:26:03 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1tQ6mv-0003Dg-H4; Tue, 24 Dec 2024 10:25:37 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1tQ6mt-000394-DE for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 24 Dec 2024 10:25:35 -0500 Original-Received: from ciao.gmane.io ([116.202.254.214]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1tQ6mr-0004yU-Nt for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 24 Dec 2024 10:25:35 -0500 Original-Received: from list by ciao.gmane.io with local (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1tQ6mp-0007sK-Kh for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 24 Dec 2024 16:25:31 +0100 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Received-SPF: pass client-ip=116.202.254.214; envelope-from=geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; helo=ciao.gmane.io X-Spam_score_int: -16 X-Spam_score: -1.7 X-Spam_bar: - X-Spam_report: (-1.7 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS=0.156, RCVD_IN_VALIDITY_RPBL_BLOCKED=0.001, RCVD_IN_VALIDITY_SAFE_BLOCKED=0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=no autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.help:148949 Archived-At: > LLMs are able to reason. With the amount of data they will be -- and > probably already are-- much stronger in reasoning/deduction then humans. ?? AFAIK no amount of extra data will fix their fundamental inability to perform any kind of logical reasoning. That doesn't mean we can't fix them to do that, of course, but it takes something qualitatively different rather than mere quantity of data. That's been known for years, and re-publicized recently by some Apple team. Can you point at a publication that argues convincingly otherwise? Stefan