From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Stefan Monnier via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: about keysee Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2022 23:50:32 -0500 Message-ID: References: <7e04bfde-07e1-0320-be04-e43a90279dee@posteo.de> <42668d33-45e1-eb87-0846-2acfdcd3f303@posteo.de> <45f63a9f-8634-42db-d59c-3c3fc0bc3730@posteo.de> <87zgbpr9vx.fsf@dataswamp.org> Reply-To: Stefan Monnier Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="14263"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Cancel-Lock: sha1:Gn1GxvWn+7GyeWqHvkCbhNxEDtA= Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Thu Dec 15 05:51:19 2022 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1p5gDH-0003Xg-4F for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Thu, 15 Dec 2022 05:51:19 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1p5gCe-0002tc-Op; Wed, 14 Dec 2022 23:50:41 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1p5gCe-0002tU-11 for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 14 Dec 2022 23:50:40 -0500 Original-Received: from ciao.gmane.io ([116.202.254.214]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1p5gCc-00069b-I6 for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 14 Dec 2022 23:50:39 -0500 Original-Received: from list by ciao.gmane.io with local (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1p5gCa-0002d0-UE for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 15 Dec 2022 05:50:36 +0100 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Received-SPF: pass client-ip=116.202.254.214; envelope-from=geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; helo=ciao.gmane.io X-Spam_score_int: -16 X-Spam_score: -1.7 X-Spam_bar: - X-Spam_report: (-1.7 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS=0.249, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=no autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.help:141744 Archived-At: Emanuel Berg [2022-12-14 21:46:42] wrote: > Stefan Monnier via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor wrote: >>> For that, you can just use `M-x load-library' to load >>> `cl-macs.el' and `M-x load-file to load `sortie.el' and >>> then `keysee.el'. >> >> You should never need to load/require explicitly `cl-macs`. >> Instead you should load/require `cl-lib` (which will then >> load cl-macs and other parts of cl-lib as/when needed). >> If you need to manually load `cl-macs` there's probably >> a bug somewhere. > > You should not _need_ to do it but shouldn't it still work > _if_ you do it? Maybe it will work "here and now". But if you care about it working for past and/or future versions of Emacs... [ As maintainers, we worry a lot about this, because the more people rely on internal details the harder it is to change them. ] Stefan