From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Stefan Monnier Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: using use-package Date: Sun, 09 Aug 2015 13:17:26 -0400 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Message-ID: References: <20150805055619.13567.17B26335@ahiker.mooo.com> <17131863-cbb8-4a85-8470-490fe9a0c0d4@googlegroups.com> <66dceb24-5fef-4316-8c8b-e9a3e62b0fb8@googlegroups.com> <3594e2c6-bd02-412f-98df-9dd0f145277a@googlegroups.com> <01b4d996-aad3-44ff-a580-7950b25b7dc8@googlegroups.com> <7af5f969-32bc-4286-9488-c1df4b74a695@googlegroups.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1439140826 17429 80.91.229.3 (9 Aug 2015 17:20:26 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 9 Aug 2015 17:20:26 +0000 (UTC) To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sun Aug 09 19:20:23 2015 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1ZOUGi-0008Ob-8V for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sun, 09 Aug 2015 19:20:20 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:55829 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZOUGh-0007wT-G7 for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sun, 09 Aug 2015 13:20:19 -0400 Original-Path: usenet.stanford.edu!news.kjsl.com!feeder.erje.net!1.eu.feeder.erje.net!eternal-september.org!feeder.eternal-september.org!mx02.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail Original-Newsgroups: gnu.emacs.help Original-Lines: 31 Injection-Info: mx02.eternal-september.org; posting-host="81077855a1b79cdd446ddfce5f593b54"; logging-data="2599"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX19hJPwCK73WKQ1xj4uVdrAA" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/25.0.50 (gnu/linux) Cancel-Lock: sha1:Pycn7XpzOTLzOhx82lcrsDipneI= sha1:Sd2NqHssTb58Jli4hcFV4MS8tUE= Original-Xref: usenet.stanford.edu gnu.emacs.help:214127 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:106411 Archived-At: >> Relying on variables being autoloaded would just open another can of worms. > This makes no sense > Either you (devs) deal with the worms. No, it's a can of fundamental worms. > If first the autoloads etc magic should be so cleverly arranged that (for example) > (setq foo-variable t) > (foo-mode 1) > and much more just works non-functional sequence of requires etc fudging foo-mode is not a variable but a function. Autoloading functions does not suffer from the "can of worms" effect. > Today with package archives the in thing, dependency management is inevitable > Do emacs packages have the sophisticated .deb style packaging? > My impression is that wheel will slowly and painfully and inevitably get reinvented. > Why not leapfrog? I lost you here. What does this have to do with use-package? [ Side note: ELPA does have dependency management, tho it's not as sophisticated as the one in APT. ] >> The problem is to define "something like". > Simply solved -- Just pick up req-package :-) I haven't looked at it. Does it drop the "work around mis-configured packages" baggage? Stefan