From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Stefan Monnier Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: Google Gmail mailing list bounces Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2019 13:03:19 -0500 Message-ID: References: <20190218122758037230128@bob.proulx.com> <5b2967d4-2428-c475-c37c-021c52cdca40@gmail.com> <834l90jvri.fsf@gnu.org> <1ac0dbd6-5d0e-52f4-d34c-d89391e89f43@gmail.com> <83lg2bivne.fsf@gnu.org> <20190219095700191526550@bob.proulx.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: blaine.gmane.org; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:195.159.176.226"; logging-data="138309"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@blaine.gmane.org" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/27.0.50 (gnu/linux) To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Feb 19 19:03:54 2019 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1gw9kI-000ZsK-7W for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Tue, 19 Feb 2019 19:03:54 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:53020 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1gw9kH-0000J3-AX for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Tue, 19 Feb 2019 13:03:53 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:47918) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1gw9k0-0000Is-Tr for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 19 Feb 2019 13:03:37 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1gw9k0-0007X8-4e for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 19 Feb 2019 13:03:36 -0500 Original-Received: from [195.159.176.226] (port=52412 helo=blaine.gmane.org) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1gw9jz-0007Uf-Ry for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 19 Feb 2019 13:03:36 -0500 Original-Received: from list by blaine.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1gw9jo-000ZFv-Gu for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 19 Feb 2019 19:03:24 +0100 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Cancel-Lock: sha1:xkJc4hzTABejbS6QB3XFYjxlC5o= X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 195.159.176.226 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "help-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:119476 Archived-At: >> It is also not limited to gmail, AFAIR. > Agreed. It will be caused by any of the email service providers that > decide to reject email for a while. Isn't it "all" due to DKIM? At least on the one mailing-list I setup here, my gmail users were blocked because of DKIM (more specifically, whenever someone from a DKIM-using domain sent a mail to that mailing-list, Gmail would then see this mail coming from our mailing-list host instead of from one of the DKIM-approved hosts for that sender) and would block it. So I had to enable a specific hack in the mailing-list config, which causes the headers to look different (the "From:" mentions the name of the real sender but has the email address of the mailing-list, which is rather annoying). I don't see such munging in the gnu.org mailing lists, so I suspect they suffer from the same problem. Basically, the blocking done by gmail means they block all "normal" mailing-list traffic and I'm not sure how it can be fixed "right". Stefan