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From: Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca>
To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org
Subject: Re: configurable means hard? [was: ... easier explanation how to setup gnus ...]
Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2013 10:02:06 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <jwvioz8fkfg.fsf-monnier+gnu.emacs.help@gnu.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: mailman.3159.1376425851.12400.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org

>         File
>         - Why do I have five print options, and what's the difference?

Because Emacs doesn't offer a good way to print, so we offer various
workarounds (I wish I were kidding).

>         Edit
>         - What's a "face"?

I don't see that word in the menu.  The closest I see is "Text
properties", which is indeed probably not what current non-Emacs users
expect (they'd probably expect some kind of customization panel).

>         Tools 
>         - Why do I read Net News with Gnus and send mail with Gnus
>           but *read* mail with RMAIL?

Good point.  This is the kind of thing you can report via M-x
report-emacs-bug.

>         - Why doesn't encryption work?[1]

Not sure what that means.

> I don't mean to suggest these questions don't have answers--clearly
> they do.  But these are things I thought of in the 30 seconds it took
> me to conduct my thought experiment, and I only actually tried to do
> two things: open a new window (i.e., what I "thought" was a window was
> a frame and vice versa) and use the menu to encrypt a file.   I'm sure
> there are more.

No doubt.  It's very helpful for users to report those things, because
most Emacs coders hack on Emacs for their own benefit and taking a step
back and trying to imagine oneself as a new user can be time-consuming
if not difficult.

> Complexity itself is not a problem, per se; but the presentation of that
> complexity can be, and usually is.  I just think Emacs in general and
> Gnus in particular needs some work in that regard.

Very much agreed.  Help is welcome.

> [1] Incidentally, I appear to have discovered what might be a very minor
>     bug in 24.3, as well; when you select a file to encrypt but gpg is
>     not installed, you get a "permission denied" error, not a more
>     accurate "file not found" error.

Actually it should say something like "can't find gpg".
That also can be reported via M-x report-emacs-bug.


        Stefan


  parent reply	other threads:[~2013-08-14 14:02 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 37+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2013-08-13  2:54 What's an even easier explanation how to setup gnus Don Saklad
2013-08-13  7:11 ` Thorsten Jolitz
     [not found] ` <mailman.3094.1376377917.12400.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2013-08-13 14:55   ` Stefan Monnier
2013-08-13 15:41     ` Thorsten Jolitz
     [not found]     ` <mailman.3131.1376408540.12400.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2013-08-13 16:23       ` Stefan Monnier
2013-08-28  9:49       ` Glen Stark
2013-09-02 11:44         ` Thorsten Jolitz
2013-09-02 13:20           ` Jambunathan K
2013-09-02 21:26           ` W. Greenhouse
2013-09-03 12:35             ` Richard Riley
     [not found]           ` <mailman.1212.1378157299.10748.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2013-09-02 22:01             ` Pascal J. Bourguignon
2013-09-03  0:58               ` W. Greenhouse
2013-09-03  2:12             ` Rustom Mody
2013-09-03  2:44               ` W. Greenhouse
2013-09-03 12:36                 ` Richard Riley
     [not found]               ` <mailman.1233.1378176315.10748.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2013-09-03  3:56                 ` Rustom Mody
2013-09-03 12:38                   ` Richard Riley
2013-09-03 14:37                     ` Stefan Monnier
2013-09-03 16:44                     ` W. Greenhouse
2013-09-03 20:13                       ` Jambunathan K
     [not found]                       ` <mailman.1282.1378239114.10748.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2013-09-04  3:40                         ` Rustom Mody
2013-09-02 13:55         ` Jambunathan K
2013-08-13 17:58 ` Carson Chittom
2013-08-13 19:01   ` configurable means hard? [was: ... easier explanation how to setup gnus ...] Drew Adams
2013-08-13 20:30     ` Carson Chittom
2013-08-13 21:01       ` Drew Adams
2013-08-14  5:19         ` Yuri Khan
     [not found]         ` <mailman.3178.1376457548.12400.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2013-08-14  5:26           ` Rustom Mody
2013-08-14 14:05           ` Stefan Monnier
     [not found]     ` <mailman.3159.1376425851.12400.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2013-08-14 14:02       ` Stefan Monnier [this message]
2013-08-14 14:44         ` Drew Adams
2013-08-14 17:14         ` Rustom Mody
2013-08-16 18:40           ` Ken Goldman
     [not found]           ` <mailman.188.1376678430.10748.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2013-08-17 10:59             ` Rustom Mody
     [not found]   ` <mailman.3146.1376420497.12400.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2013-08-14  3:11     ` Jason Rumney
2013-08-13 20:17 ` What's an even easier explanation how to setup gnus W. Greenhouse
     [not found] ` <mailman.3154.1376425093.12400.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2013-08-14  3:29   ` Rustom Mody

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