From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Stefan Monnier Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: ESC vs Meta for shifted keys Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2018 09:42:56 -0400 Message-ID: References: <87d0z71985.fsf@gmail.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: blaine.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: blaine.gmane.org 1523367708 19059 195.159.176.226 (10 Apr 2018 13:41:48 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@blaine.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2018 13:41:48 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/27.0.50 (gnu/linux) To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Apr 10 15:41:44 2018 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1f5tWq-0004r3-C4 for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Tue, 10 Apr 2018 15:41:44 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:46045 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1f5tYw-0005El-39 for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Tue, 10 Apr 2018 09:43:54 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:46081) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1f5tYC-0005B2-9c for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 10 Apr 2018 09:43:13 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1f5tY9-0005qi-M9 for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 10 Apr 2018 09:43:08 -0400 Original-Received: from [195.159.176.226] (port=44510 helo=blaine.gmane.org) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1f5tY9-0005qE-Eg for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 10 Apr 2018 09:43:05 -0400 Original-Received: from list by blaine.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1f5tW1-0003yz-0X for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 10 Apr 2018 15:40:53 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Original-Lines: 21 Original-X-Complaints-To: usenet@blaine.gmane.org Cancel-Lock: sha1:Pq3M02DAg7L7YY/PuVQn2lvNMLg= X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] [fuzzy] X-Received-From: 195.159.176.226 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "help-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:116441 Archived-At: > So Iʼve (finally) got an actual Meta key configured on my > keyboard. Iʼve always believed that Esc-as-prefix and Meta were > interchangable, but that doesnʼt seem to be the case: The ESC <-> Meta equivalence only holds for characters, not for "special keys" such as `left`, indeed. Not sure why. > So this looks like Emacs is not taking into account the SHIFT modifier > here? What makes you think so? The "translated from" clearly shows that Emacs saw the shift just fine. > Or is there some default keyboard translation going on that I > need to disable? Why would you need to disable it? IOW which part of "running left-word when I hit M-S-" annoys you? Stefan