Q2 -

Q2 -

[Tatsu Takamaro]

My next question. The second one.

Commands "forward-sentence" and "backward-sentence" do not move by 
sentences actually. I tried in both Text and Fundamental modes. If there 
are two or more sentences in a line, they ignore the dot in the middle. 
I guess it is somehow connected with an internal mode's settings (what 
is considered to be a sentence). But it seems logical that when I'm in a 
Text mode, a literary sentence should be treated as sentence, where a 
dot sign (or ? or ! and so on) is a delimiter.

How can I tell Emacs to treat sentences as literary sentences? At least 
in a Text mode.

Tony.

RE: [External] : Q2 -

[Drew Adams]

> Commands "forward-sentence" and "backward-sentence" do not move by
> sentences actually. I tried in both Text and Fundamental modes. If there
> are two or more sentences in a line, they ignore the dot in the middle.
> I guess it is somehow connected with an internal mode's settings (what
> is considered to be a sentence). But it seems logical that when I'm in a
> Text mode, a literary sentence should be treated as sentence, where a
> dot sign (or ? or ! and so on) is a delimiter.
> 
> How can I tell Emacs to treat sentences as literary sentences? At least
> in a Text mode.

Probably you have only one space character after the punctuation ending a sentence.  If so, and if you want to continue to do that, then customize user option `sentence-end-double-space' to give it the value `nil'.  Use `M-x customize-option' to do that.


`C-h v' tells you this:

sentence-end-double-space is a variable defined in `paragraphs.el'.

Its value is t

  This variable is safe as a file local variable if its value
  satisfies the predicate `booleanp'.

Documentation:
Non-nil means a single space does not end a sentence.
This is relevant for filling.  See also `sentence-end-without-period'
and `colon-double-space'.

This value is used by the function `sentence-end' to construct the
regexp describing the end of a sentence, when the value of the variable
`sentence-end' is nil.  See Info node `(elisp)Standard Regexps'.

You can customize this variable.

Re: [External] : Q2 - moving by sentences and what is considered to be a sentence

[Tatsu Takamaro]

Thank you. The

*'(sentence-end-double-space nil)*

in the *custom-set-variables* section did the job.

Of course, we have only one space between literary sentences, at least 
if we talk about a normal human text. I've never met another behaviour.

вс, 15.12.2024 5:10, Drew Adams пишет:
>> Commands "forward-sentence" and "backward-sentence" do not move by
>> sentences actually. I tried in both Text and Fundamental modes. If there
>> are two or more sentences in a line, they ignore the dot in the middle.
>> I guess it is somehow connected with an internal mode's settings (what
>> is considered to be a sentence). But it seems logical that when I'm in a
>> Text mode, a literary sentence should be treated as sentence, where a
>> dot sign (or ? or ! and so on) is a delimiter.
>>
>> How can I tell Emacs to treat sentences as literary sentences? At least
>> in a Text mode.
> Probably you have only one space character after the punctuation ending a sentence.  If so, and if you want to continue to do that, then customize user option `sentence-end-double-space' to give it the value `nil'.  Use `M-x customize-option' to do that.
>
>
> `C-h v' tells you this:
>
> sentence-end-double-space is a variable defined in `paragraphs.el'.
>
> Its value is t
>
>    This variable is safe as a file local variable if its value
>    satisfies the predicate `booleanp'.
>
> Documentation:
> Non-nil means a single space does not end a sentence.
> This is relevant for filling.  See also `sentence-end-without-period'
> and `colon-double-space'.
>
> This value is used by the function `sentence-end' to construct the
> regexp describing the end of a sentence, when the value of the variable
> `sentence-end' is nil.  See Info node `(elisp)Standard Regexps'.
>
> You can customize this variable.

Re: [External] : Q2 - moving by sentences and what is considered to be a sentence

[Stefan Monnier via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor]

> Of course, we have only one space between literary sentences, at least if we
> talk about a normal human text. I've never met another behaviour.

In most books, there is a wider space after a "." that terminates
a sentence than after a "Mr." (and other abbreviations).

Whether this difference is reflected by adding an additional space
character in monospaced text depends on local conventions.
Apparently it was pretty common to do that in the US when using
a typewriter.  This convention is also used in GNU Emacs's own code.


        Stefan

Re: Q2 -

[Yuri Khan]

On Sun, 15 Dec 2024 at 06:52, Tatsu Takamaro <tatsu.takamaro@gmail.com> wrote:

> Commands "forward-sentence" and "backward-sentence" do not move by
> sentences actually.

This one is easy. The default settings in Emacs assume a period
followed by two spaces is a sentence boundary while reserving a period
followed by a single space for constructs such as “Dr. Jekyll”, “Mr.
Hyde” and “A. S. Pushkin”.

Toggle

    (setq sentence-end-double-space nil)

and prefer using non-breaking spaces with intra-sentence periods.

Re: Q2 - moving by sentences and what is considered to be a sentence

[Tatsu Takamaro]

Thank you. It works.

I think it's easier to just push a hotkey for "forward-sentence" some 
times more than to insert non-breaking spaces every time.

вс, 15.12.2024 10:16, Yuri Khan пишет:
> On Sun, 15 Dec 2024 at 06:52, Tatsu Takamaro<tatsu.takamaro@gmail.com>  wrote:
>
>> Commands "forward-sentence" and "backward-sentence" do not move by
>> sentences actually.
> This one is easy. The default settings in Emacs assume a period
> followed by two spaces is a sentence boundary while reserving a period
> followed by a single space for constructs such as “Dr. Jekyll”, “Mr.
> Hyde” and “A. S. Pushkin”.
>
> Toggle
>
>      (setq sentence-end-double-space nil)
>
> and prefer using non-breaking spaces with intra-sentence periods.