From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Stefan Monnier Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: Hard to switch from vi Date: Mon, 09 Oct 2006 20:50:36 -0400 Message-ID: References: <45299CB0.5090003@speakeasy.net> <4529A0E4.60403@charter.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1160455246 7813 80.91.229.2 (10 Oct 2006 04:40:46 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2006 04:40:46 +0000 (UTC) Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Oct 10 06:40:42 2006 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by ciao.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GX9Pp-0005aj-TV for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Tue, 10 Oct 2006 06:40:30 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GX9Pp-0002XS-Dp for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Tue, 10 Oct 2006 00:40:29 -0400 Original-Path: shelby.stanford.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews.google.com!news3.google.com!border1.nntp.dca.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!local01.nntp.dca.giganews.com!nntp.umontreal.ca!news.umontreal.ca.POSTED!not-for-mail Original-NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 09 Oct 2006 22:40:27 -0500 Original-Newsgroups: gnu.emacs.help X-Draft-From: ("gnu.emacs.help" 122690) User-Agent: Gnus/5.11 (Gnus v5.11) Emacs/22.0.50 (gnu/linux) Cancel-Lock: sha1:vTjATzsvRp3OhUBe7ZER7SnKGzc= Original-Lines: 13 Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 132.204.27.213 Original-X-Trace: sv3-1STdpbv8qdc3w4B4xlMdA9vfLuoFvLLK6unkwvEiUSwDmYsqJzzOzoDG+04H67H+ukxPGY3RSJHSp9W!d63oq2wl6i+Xogsw7nzXTrBj1mI8smHbiqw4gpbHMrFK2EleV5ygPNN/D8xYpKjsz3dpxeV+oKoI!6z00w1IMFYVqNORyZg== Original-X-Complaints-To: abuse@umontreal.ca X-DMCA-Complaints-To: abuse@umontreal.ca X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Postfilter: 1.3.32 Original-Xref: shelby.stanford.edu gnu.emacs.help:142332 Original-To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:37951 Archived-At: > So far, my understanding is that Emacs takes more key strokes on the > average to accomplish same purposes. It bothers me a little at > this point. Of course, Emacs takes more keystrokes to do what `vi' does well. And conversely, vi takes more keystrokes to do what Emacs does well. E.g. I never "delete 5 lines". Instead I "delete this sub-expression" where the sub-expression may indeed occupy 5 lines, but I don't bother counting it: C-M-k. Stefan