From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Stefan Monnier Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: pirate bay, w3m, and the interface is just an interface (BEST post ever) Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2014 17:08:12 -0500 Message-ID: References: <87k31v83eb.fsf@debian.uxu> <87vbles537.fsf@wmi.amu.edu.pl> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1418594946 25415 80.91.229.3 (14 Dec 2014 22:09:06 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2014 22:09:06 +0000 (UTC) To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sun Dec 14 23:08:59 2014 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Y0HLX-0007AT-2R for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sun, 14 Dec 2014 23:08:59 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:37280 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Y0HLW-0000Lc-JP for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sun, 14 Dec 2014 17:08:58 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:48970) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Y0HLC-0000LT-5E for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 14 Dec 2014 17:08:45 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Y0HL4-0003u9-MN for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 14 Dec 2014 17:08:38 -0500 Original-Received: from plane.gmane.org ([80.91.229.3]:39105) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Y0HL4-0003tz-Fa for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 14 Dec 2014 17:08:30 -0500 Original-Received: from list by plane.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Y0HKy-00065e-9Z for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 14 Dec 2014 23:08:24 +0100 Original-Received: from 206-248-130-192.dsl.teksavvy.com ([206.248.130.192]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Sun, 14 Dec 2014 23:08:24 +0100 Original-Received: from monnier by 206-248-130-192.dsl.teksavvy.com with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Sun, 14 Dec 2014 23:08:24 +0100 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Original-Lines: 20 Original-X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: 206-248-130-192.dsl.teksavvy.com User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/25.0.50 (gnu/linux) Cancel-Lock: sha1:wOHNWVWfupR1CZ/4PxvoTzcx8i4= X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-Received-From: 80.91.229.3 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:101586 Archived-At: > for example, one might reject with ease the paternalistic law requiring > one to wear a seat-belt, but then become irate at the driver who runs a > red light. There is no contradiction here, as long as one does not get irate when someone else doesn't wear a seat-belt. > This of course collides with a contradiction as the overarching rule for > any of this whole humanity project to work is that we all follow the > rules (thank you Kant) and, given the veil of ignorance (thank you > Rawls) we all want that others do the same. But there's also the question of which rules we should follow. And given that we can't all agree on that, there is necessarily some laws which we'll only abide to grudgingly, and the dual is that there are also rules which aren't law but which one considers that everyone should follow. Stefan