From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Stefan Monnier Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: Emacs on OS X - configuration package Date: Sun, 29 Feb 2004 23:08:23 GMT Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Message-ID: References: <20040227213744639+0000@news.eircom.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: deer.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1078096731 24346 80.91.224.253 (29 Feb 2004 23:18:51 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 29 Feb 2004 23:18:51 +0000 (UTC) Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Mar 01 00:18:43 2004 Return-path: Original-Received: from monty-python.gnu.org ([199.232.76.173]) by deer.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1AxaCp-0004gA-00 for ; Mon, 01 Mar 2004 00:18:43 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1AxaB2-0004ni-Oc for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sun, 29 Feb 2004 18:16:52 -0500 Original-Path: shelby.stanford.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!cyclone.bc.net!snoopy.risq.qc.ca!charlie.risq.qc.ca!53ab2750!not-for-mail Original-Newsgroups: gnu.emacs.help Original-Lines: 61 User-Agent: Gnus/5.09 (Gnus v5.9.0) Emacs/21.3.50 Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 132.204.24.84 Original-X-Complaints-To: abuse@umontreal.ca Original-X-Trace: charlie.risq.qc.ca 1078096103 132.204.24.84 (Sun, 29 Feb 2004 18:08:23 EST) Original-NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 29 Feb 2004 18:08:23 EST Original-Xref: shelby.stanford.edu gnu.emacs.help:121377 Original-To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:17332 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.help:17332 > I've looked briefly at this package and since I use Emacs under > Apple's X11 interface not Aqua, much of it would have to be altered to > be useful for me. For the X11 build of Emacs, I think we want to stay as "plain Emacs" as possible: people who want a Macish feel should use the Carbon version. > The Apple key, a.k.a. the Command (Cmd) key, serves as Meta > inconsistently. What do you mean by inconsistently? > If (setq mac-command-key-is-meta nil) is set, then > these keybindings would not override any Emacs Meta keybindings, I > would think; that setq makes Alt function as Meta. My question was: what will it appear as. From what you say it will appear as Meta by default and can be changed to appear as ... what ... Alt? > IME however, this is *highly* inconsistent, and may function differently > in Emacs built for Apple's Mac OS X Aqua interface vs. the OS X X11 Inconsistent with what? Under X11, the Apple key appears as Meta, so it seems the defaults are consistent. >>> - Emacs has a normal menu. >> Good. > This probably means "normal" in Mac terms, which puts the menu bar at > the top of the screen, separate from the window (frame) of the > application. Although Emacs built with Andrew's patches for Mac OS X > Aqua does have "normal" Mac menus. I believe he was talking about the Carbon version and was hence referring to the Emacs *menu* (not menubar) which until now was fairly non-standard (e.g. no `exit' entry IIRC). > Most Mac applications open files in a new window (frame) with one > buffer per frame. Hmmm AFAIK most Mac applications don't have the notion of buffer-vs-window, and this equally applies to Windows and X11. Emacs does it differently, but the difference is not specific to Mac. > You can bring any window forward by clicking on it. The Emacs approach to > this takes quite a bit of getting used to for Mac users. Again, non-specific to Mac. I'm not arguing the feature is bad (after all, I've been using such a one-frame-per-buffer scheme for years and it took a good bit of effort), just that it should be available to non-Mac users as well. >>> - Mouse Wheel works >> Didn't it already work before? > Inconsistent again. I find that the mouse wheel worked in some Aqua > builds but does not work at all in builds for Apple's X11 interface. Which Emacs build are you referring to? Have you tried Emacs-CVS recently? I use my mouse wheel all the time with no problem in Emacs/X11/Mac. Stefan