From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Stefan Monnier Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: Emacspeak and UTF-8 -- possible? Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2007 14:28:11 -0400 Message-ID: References: <1186169058.124273.9230@w3g2000hsg.googlegroups.com> <87sl6viq3s.fsf@lion.rapttech.com.au> <87r6mc6jtm.fsf@lion.rapttech.com.au> <1187041629.914642.48950@i38g2000prf.googlegroups.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1187116904 31683 80.91.229.12 (14 Aug 2007 18:41:44 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2007 18:41:44 +0000 (UTC) To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Aug 14 20:41:43 2007 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1IL1Kn-0003HA-Oa for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Tue, 14 Aug 2007 20:41:42 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IL1Kn-0001PA-BE for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Tue, 14 Aug 2007 14:41:41 -0400 Original-Path: shelby.stanford.edu!headwall.stanford.edu!newsfeed.news2me.com!nx01.iad01.newshosting.com!newshosting.com!216.196.98.140.MISMATCH!border1.nntp.dca.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!local01.nntp.dca.giganews.com!nntp.umontreal.ca!news.umontreal.ca.POSTED!not-for-mail Original-NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2007 13:28:11 -0500 Original-Newsgroups: gnu.emacs.help User-Agent: Gnus/5.11 (Gnus v5.11) Emacs/22.1.50 (gnu/linux) Cancel-Lock: sha1:/QNZQwm9P2pZ7M03bQ43vunEuHI= Original-Lines: 25 X-Usenet-Provider: http://www.giganews.com Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 132.204.27.213 Original-X-Trace: sv3-XnUKac5IFEcRjWlsMfi5G5q/zYWkEHXXhQBCeu70v5fbI12uHiI4ZU568fmK4GNdvZrrVjNybkGW/42!wmodPvYpnu3I5bB03yTK4ykD8+gfBYKHzMTMov2hAwgYZnWdAfwRh11DiLd3PgczGMtHfxteNQG2!sRzmTyZIgWhxkqEM7w== Original-X-Complaints-To: abuse@umontreal.ca X-DMCA-Complaints-To: abuse@umontreal.ca X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Postfilter: 1.3.35 Original-Xref: shelby.stanford.edu gnu.emacs.help:150966 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:46538 Archived-At: > A) Manpower Cycles(ramanpower cycles are vanishingly small for this) > B) Ability to test --- TTS engines, multibyte texts, and > someone who uses it > C) Early users who are sufficiently knowledgeable to be able > to bear the pain, identify problems, and and define > solutions Maybe a first step will be to make it a customizable option, marked as "please help test&debug it if you can". If it ever starts to appear mildly usable, you can then change its default to "enabled", and document how to turn it off at as many places as you can think of. If you ever intend to start this transition, better start early and better let other people find&fix the bugs for you ;-) Unibyte sessions in Emacs are becoming more and more problematic, so you'll probably have to make the transition at some point (there's no indication we'll ever remove support for unibyte *buffers and strings*, which have some very important uses, but it's difficult to improve the support for multibyte sessions without introducing minor problems in unibyte *sessions*). Stefan