From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Stefan Monnier Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: gnuplot Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2015 10:11:42 -0500 Message-ID: References: <87iof9f6qk.fsf@debian.uxu> <87egpv2p4k.fsf@wmi.amu.edu.pl> <87d25f2na3.fsf@wmi.amu.edu.pl> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1423753955 11019 80.91.229.3 (12 Feb 2015 15:12:35 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2015 15:12:35 +0000 (UTC) To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Thu Feb 12 16:12:21 2015 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1YLvRE-0004nD-Tu for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Thu, 12 Feb 2015 16:12:21 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:50661 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1YLvRE-0002OM-8j for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Thu, 12 Feb 2015 10:12:20 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:45115) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1YLvQt-0002L5-AI for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 12 Feb 2015 10:12:00 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1YLvQp-0000EQ-W7 for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 12 Feb 2015 10:11:59 -0500 Original-Received: from plane.gmane.org ([80.91.229.3]:33479) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1YLvQp-0000Ce-PR for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 12 Feb 2015 10:11:55 -0500 Original-Received: from list by plane.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1YLvQo-0004Yi-BO for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 12 Feb 2015 16:11:54 +0100 Original-Received: from 192-171-44-105.cpe.pppoe.ca ([192.171.44.105]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Thu, 12 Feb 2015 16:11:54 +0100 Original-Received: from monnier by 192-171-44-105.cpe.pppoe.ca with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Thu, 12 Feb 2015 16:11:54 +0100 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Original-Lines: 45 Original-X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: 192-171-44-105.cpe.pppoe.ca User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/25.0.50 (gnu/linux) Cancel-Lock: sha1:i1dnmICbRH9+R/jq9QP4Oe8gSPo= X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-Received-From: 80.91.229.3 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:102677 Archived-At: >> Please stop using the GNU mailing lists to promote proprietary >> software. This is indeed the accepted rule. The FSF was founded to fight against proprietary software, so it seems only normal that it wouldn't want people to use its mailing lists to promote it (GNU mailing lists use the resources of the FSF). > I'd really like to understand what is good and what is evil according to > the FSF, http://www.fsf.org/about/ is a good start. > and - also from sheer curiosity - why is the current thread > even allowed here (not to mention that there's even a discussion about > a *possibility* of including gnuplot-mode in Emacs itself, which - > according to what was said in the mentioned thread - sounds > sacrilegious). AFAIK gnuplot is not proprietary software. Its license is a bit constraining but I think it is acceptable as Free Software (and that's also the interpretation of Debian). I see it's not listed in the Free Software Directory, so maybe the FSF treats it as just on the other side of the fence, but I wouldn't take this to mean that the FSF considers gnuplot as proprietary. > I'm afraid that - as is often the case - when some organization > (three-letter or not) says that it aims to "promote [somebody's] > freedom and to defend the rights of all [somebodies]", it's really > some politics and not anybody's freedom it's all about. Of course it's political by nature. And given how "freedom" works, you can't provide freedom somewhere without restricting it elsewhere. But note that "don't promote on this list" does not prevent anyone from using . > (If there is another explanation for this seemingly unfair treatment > of various software projects, please do enlighten me!) Not sure which software projects you think were treated unfairly (nor when/where), so I can't say anything useful here. Stefan