From: Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca>
To: Christopher Dimech <dimech@gmx.com>
Cc: tsdh@gnu.org, help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Making a function than can only be used interactively
Date: Mon, 04 Jul 2022 17:18:22 -0400 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <jwv4jzwh9ls.fsf-monnier+Inbox@gnu.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <trinity-233eb4e8-82c5-4f98-b087-0cce56ba4918-1656967578200@3c-app-mailcom-bs07> (Christopher Dimech's message of "Mon, 4 Jul 2022 22:46:18 +0200")
> Another debate is that although one can declare a non-interactive function,
> and an interactive function that can run non-interactively; there is no
> construct that can define a purely interactive function.
That's because an "interactive function" is just a normal function
together with some auxiliary info to tell `call-interactive` how to call
it "interactively". Internally `call-interactively` will end up calling
the function via `funcall`, i.e. "non-interactively". So at
a low-level, technically you just can't have a function that can be
called interactively and not non-interactively. You can try and kludge
it up above if you really want to (like we've seen in a few different
ways), but we're back to the question: what's the benefit?
> Does a function know whether it was run from lisp code or from the user in
> an Emacs session?
Trying to behave differently depending on who/how a function was called
goes against the design principle of functions, so it tends to be kludgy
and unreliable, like `called-interactively-p`.
BTW, here's another way to make a function that "can't" be called
non-interactively:
(defun foo (a b c &optional extra)
(interactive
(list ... 'dont-you-dare-call-me-non-interactively))
(unless (eql extra 'dont-you-dare-call-me-non-interactively)
(error "foo called non-interactively"))
...)
You can make it "more robust" with something like:
(defalias 'foo
(let ((witness (make-symbol "dont-you-dare-call-me-non-interactively")))
(lambda (a b c &optional extra)
(interactive
(list ... witness))
(unless (eql extra witness)
(error "foo called non-interactively"))
...)))
But again: is it really worth the trouble? What is there to gain?
Instead of beating the undesired callers with a stick, why not try and
convince them to do something else with carrot?
Stefan
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2022-07-04 20:10 Making a function than can only be used interactively Christopher Dimech
2022-07-04 20:35 ` Stefan Monnier
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2022-07-04 21:18 ` Stefan Monnier [this message]
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