From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Stefan Monnier Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: using use-package Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2016 03:38:50 -0400 Message-ID: References: <20150805055619.13567.17B26335@ahiker.mooo.com> <17131863-cbb8-4a85-8470-490fe9a0c0d4@googlegroups.com> <66dceb24-5fef-4316-8c8b-e9a3e62b0fb8@googlegroups.com> <3594e2c6-bd02-412f-98df-9dd0f145277a@googlegroups.com> <01b4d996-aad3-44ff-a580-7950b25b7dc8@googlegroups.com> <87r3nbh3n3.fsf@russet.org.uk> <0566e644-b87b-46f9-91a5-b9c38befd55e@googlegroups.com> <18cc3e7d62270dbe3e40bb2b73087b60.squirrel@cloud103.planethippo.com> <4deb171d07e312f6e3cd3bae4317ac40.squirrel@cloud103.planethippo.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1467186067 8524 80.91.229.3 (29 Jun 2016 07:41:07 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2016 07:41:07 +0000 (UTC) To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Jun 29 09:40:58 2016 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1bIA7F-0003XB-1p for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Wed, 29 Jun 2016 09:40:57 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:41920 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1bIA78-0002Qn-5i for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Wed, 29 Jun 2016 03:40:50 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:46270) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1bIA6Y-0002P1-3Y for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 29 Jun 2016 03:40:15 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1bIA6R-0001En-AT for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 29 Jun 2016 03:40:13 -0400 Original-Received: from plane.gmane.org ([80.91.229.3]:58044) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1bIA6R-0001ER-3p for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 29 Jun 2016 03:40:07 -0400 Original-Received: from list by plane.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1bIA6N-0002w5-Ae for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 29 Jun 2016 09:40:03 +0200 Original-Received: from dyn.144-85-234-142.dsl.vtx.ch ([144.85.234.142]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Wed, 29 Jun 2016 09:40:03 +0200 Original-Received: from monnier by dyn.144-85-234-142.dsl.vtx.ch with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Wed, 29 Jun 2016 09:40:03 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Original-Lines: 12 Original-X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: dyn.144-85-234-142.dsl.vtx.ch User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/25.1.50 (gnu/linux) Cancel-Lock: sha1:8wMtEQYg37Xjj0jRmpc9k4gzgcY= X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-Received-From: 80.91.229.3 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "help-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:110655 Archived-At: >>>> Well I would have thought that needing eval-after-load and relatives >>>> is evidence of a badly written (in Stefan's sense) package > Yeah, I missed the "not" in this paragraph. >> I do think it's a problem, but admittedly, the way keymaps are normally >> setup there's no standard&easy way for the package to "do the right >> thing". > But not evidence of a badly written package:-) Not until "the right thing to do" is designed and implemented, no. Stefan