From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Ken Goldman Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: temacs Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2012 15:37:36 -0400 Message-ID: References: <87bokbb4zw.fsf@gnu.org> <83086e1d-d66a-4e0c-95a7-92d10a6de7e7@f8g2000pbf.googlegroups.com> <87r4t3krun.fsf@friendface.i-did-not-set--mail-host-address--so-tickle-me> <811ul1ds60.fsf_-_@gmail.com> <87395f4y94.fsf@gnu.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1340998687 30297 80.91.229.3 (29 Jun 2012 19:38:07 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2012 19:38:07 +0000 (UTC) To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Jun 29 21:38:06 2012 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Skh14-0007Gm-62 for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Fri, 29 Jun 2012 21:38:06 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:49972 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Skh14-0001Ip-5e for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Fri, 29 Jun 2012 15:38:06 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:41983) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Skh0y-0001HY-8p for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 29 Jun 2012 15:38:01 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Skh0w-0007Jo-CZ for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 29 Jun 2012 15:37:59 -0400 Original-Received: from plane.gmane.org ([80.91.229.3]:54839) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Skh0w-0007JI-62 for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 29 Jun 2012 15:37:58 -0400 Original-Received: from list by plane.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Skh0r-00073j-IX for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 29 Jun 2012 21:37:53 +0200 Original-Received: from yktgi01e0-s5.watson.ibm.com ([129.34.20.19]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Fri, 29 Jun 2012 21:37:53 +0200 Original-Received: from kgoldman by yktgi01e0-s5.watson.ibm.com with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Fri, 29 Jun 2012 21:37:53 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Original-Lines: 22 Original-X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: yktgi01e0-s5.watson.ibm.com User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:12.0) Gecko/20120428 Thunderbird/12.0.1 In-Reply-To: <87395f4y94.fsf@gnu.org> X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-Received-From: 80.91.229.3 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:85576 Archived-At: On 6/28/2012 4:49 AM, Bastien wrote: > "John Wiegley" writes: > >> Thus, Emacs is already as simple as you need it to be. Just don't load >> anything in your .emacs. > > Which points at the trap many newbies fall in: adding to many stuff to > their .emacs. Some of them are just experimental, then get forgotten, > then you wake up one day wondering why launching Emacs takes too long. I think you've defined the wrong trap - starting emacs every time you want to edit a file and then complaining that launching takes too long. If anything, perhaps it should be easier to install and use client-server emacs. Windows programs (Firefox, Office, ...) do that by default. I have many years of accumulated code in my .emacs. I load all kinds of packages, some that I rarely use. It doesn't matter. I start emacs once every few months, so 10 seconds doesn't matter at all.