From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Ken Goldman Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: Emacs users a dying breed? Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2012 15:00:18 -0400 Message-ID: References: <9809cd1a-9086-4022-af79-732fb6149f20@q5g2000pba.googlegroups.com> <87mx3vzqd7.fsf@friendface.i-did-not-set--mail-host-address--so-tickle-me> <87ipejzjce.fsf@friendface.i-did-not-set--mail-host-address--so-tickle-me> <4FE45F11.2060105@easy-emacs.de> <874nq35wh3.wl%lists@groll.co.za> <87bokaw9dh.fsf@nzebook.haselwarter.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1340650846 15662 80.91.229.3 (25 Jun 2012 19:00:46 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2012 19:00:46 +0000 (UTC) To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Jun 25 21:00:46 2012 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1SjEWj-0004jP-Hv for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Mon, 25 Jun 2012 21:00:45 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:60117 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1SjEWj-0005Bq-K1 for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Mon, 25 Jun 2012 15:00:45 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:45872) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1SjEWd-0005BI-1A for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 25 Jun 2012 15:00:41 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1SjEWb-0007zI-2q for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 25 Jun 2012 15:00:38 -0400 Original-Received: from plane.gmane.org ([80.91.229.3]:33049) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1SjEWa-0007yt-Sa for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 25 Jun 2012 15:00:37 -0400 Original-Received: from list by plane.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1SjEWT-0004Z2-1z for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 25 Jun 2012 21:00:29 +0200 Original-Received: from yktgi01e0-s5.watson.ibm.com ([129.34.20.19]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Mon, 25 Jun 2012 21:00:29 +0200 Original-Received: from kgoldman by yktgi01e0-s5.watson.ibm.com with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Mon, 25 Jun 2012 21:00:29 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Original-Lines: 19 Original-X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: yktgi01e0-s5.watson.ibm.com User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:12.0) Gecko/20120428 Thunderbird/12.0.1 In-Reply-To: <87bokaw9dh.fsf@nzebook.haselwarter.org> X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-Received-From: 80.91.229.3 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:85459 Archived-At: On 6/23/2012 7:33 AM, Philipp Haselwarter wrote: > I very much disagree, one of the things emacs is most frequently accused > of is bloat. ... > I'd even go as far as claiming that currently there's already too much > stuff included by default. Arguments against: 1 - My current emacs lisp directory is about 80 mbytes. Even if it was stripped to zero, it would hardly affect my disk space. 2 - For professionals, the cost to search the web for one package is far more than the cost of a 100 gbyte disk. 3 - The risk of installing malware says I want to download software as infrequently as possible. IMHO, include every package that's part of the distro. If I don't use it, it doesn't matter.