From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: dkcombs@panix.com (David Combs) Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: Emacs as a C Programming IDE Configuration? Date: Sat, 21 May 2011 23:27:58 +0000 (UTC) Organization: Public Access Networks Corp. Message-ID: References: <430fcda1-6ad7-4078-baf8-58608a30c302@glegroupsg2000goo.googlegroups.com> <8762pksl93.fsf@kuiper.lan.informatimago.com> <87aaevet0y.fsf@lifelogs.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1306269542 24370 80.91.229.12 (24 May 2011 20:39:02 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 24 May 2011 20:39:02 +0000 (UTC) To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue May 24 22:38:59 2011 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([140.186.70.17]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1QOyNW-0000kD-0O for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Tue, 24 May 2011 22:38:58 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:43791 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1QOyNV-000738-Et for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Tue, 24 May 2011 16:38:57 -0400 Original-Path: usenet.stanford.edu!panix!not-for-mail Original-Newsgroups: gnu.emacs.help Original-Lines: 60 Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: panix3.panix.com Original-X-Trace: reader1.panix.com 1306020478 17184 166.84.1.3 (21 May 2011 23:27:58 GMT) Original-X-Complaints-To: abuse@panix.com Original-NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 21 May 2011 23:27:58 +0000 (UTC) X-Newsreader: trn 4.0-test76 (Apr 2, 2001) Original-Xref: usenet.stanford.edu gnu.emacs.help:186880 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:81217 Archived-At: In article <87aaevet0y.fsf@lifelogs.com>, Ted Zlatanov wrote: >On Mon, 09 May 2011 03:42:00 +0200 "Pascal J. Bourguignon" wrote: > >PJB> dkcombs@panix.com (David Combs) writes: >>> In article , wrote: >>>> Jorgen Grahn writes: >>>> >>> ... >>>> >>>> More important, a true emacs user has little need for a shell. >>> >>> You gotta be kidding -- no use for M-x shell???? > >PJB> Almost none. You can always use M-! RET > (FYI: Myself, I do M-x shell, then an immediate tcsh.) But with *shell* you at least get to *keep* (up-screen) a record of what's happened, what results you got from giving your shell commands. Pretty nice to be able to whip (way) up-screen to find prior commands, copy them down to "now", make changes to them, and try again. For me, beats the heck out of getting a single-cmd-and-result *Shell Command Output*, then if I want to keep it around, having to rename-buffer it. Having all the commands, with their results, in one place allows easy M-x occur, or just plain "history". >Let's not forget eshell, the Adventure shell, and zsh. > I tried eshell once, never quite got what the advantages were. Adventure shell: never heard of it -- from a bit of googling it seems that you do shell commands as part of playing a GAME? When I'm trying to get something *done*? Can someone please elaborate a bit? Thanks. >Oh, and some consider Tcl/Tk's `wish' a "simple windowing shell" ;) > >Ted So what's wrong with tcsh, with tons of aliases? Seems pretty optimum to me! (But am very willing to be educated on alternatives, as long as I can understand the true advantages.) Thanks, David