From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Richard Riley Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: gnus, thunderbird and imap Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2010 16:49:41 +0100 Organization: aich tea tea pea dicky riley dot net Message-ID: References: <87zkrsl93s.fsf@news.individual.de> <4D189BB1.1030904@mousecar.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1293468245 28586 80.91.229.12 (27 Dec 2010 16:44:05 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2010 16:44:05 +0000 (UTC) To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Dec 27 17:44:00 2010 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PXGAV-00061w-R7 for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Mon, 27 Dec 2010 17:43:59 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:44467 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1PXG7b-0005a9-FL for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Mon, 27 Dec 2010 11:40:31 -0500 Original-Path: usenet.stanford.edu!goblin2!goblin1!goblin.stu.neva.ru!uio.no!quimby.gnus.org!not-for-mail Original-Newsgroups: gnu.emacs.help Original-Lines: 84 Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 85.183.18.158 Original-X-Trace: quimby.gnus.org 1293464981 5067 85.183.18.158 (27 Dec 2010 15:49:41 GMT) Original-X-Complaints-To: usenet@quimby.gnus.org Original-NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2010 15:49:41 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: Gnus/5.110011 (No Gnus v0.11) Emacs/23.2 (gnu/linux) Original-Xref: usenet.stanford.edu gnu.emacs.help:183685 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:77914 Archived-At: Tyler Smith writes: > ken writes: > >> On 12/27/2010 03:12 AM Richard Riley wrote: >>> Rud1ger Sch1erz writes: >>> >>>> Tyler Smith writes: >>>> >>>>> Indicate that I need to set up a local IMAP server to get gnus working. >>>> Why that? I use gnus just with my IMAP account at gmx, concurrently with >>>> thunderbird, which I sometimes use from a different machine where no >>>> gnus is installed. >>>> >>>> Cheers, >>>> Rudiger >>>> >>> >>> Its a lot faster and you get nnir indexed searching as well as a >>> local copy of all your mail and the overhead is very low. >> >> For years I've been using IMAPS without a local server and the speed is >> fine... anything "faster" than my remote connection-- such as a local >> server-- wouldn't be noticeable. > > I do have it running off the remote server now. However, it's noticeably > slower than Thunderbird - often several seconds delay while moving > messages between folders or rescanning new mail. On Thunderbird, with > a Get NoGnus from Git : major IMAP speed up. That said I still recommend a local Dovecot server. Why not? The overhead is little and its just so much faster AND you have your email when offline. Dovecot stores as Maildir too. > local message repository, there is also a delay, but it's shorter and > doesn't lock the entire application up. So I may still go the extra > effort to set up a local server. > >> Moreover, using the remote server (my ISP's) allows me to access my >> email from anywhere in the world where I can get an internet >> connection. Yes, I could do that with a local IMAPS server... and of >> course secured and firewalled it... and put those machines on a UPS >> and performed regular backups. But why go through all that when the >> ISP (or other organization) does it for free? > > I assume I could set up a local server that would mirror, rather than > download, the remote server? Thunderbird is set up to download all my It would/could be fed using offlineimap which connects to your imap servers and does a bi-directional sync. http://sachachua.com/blog/2008/05/geek-how-to-use-offlineimap-and-the-dovecot-mail-server-to-read-your-gmail-in-emacs-efficiently/ http://tinyurl.com/26cwmok > messages off of the remote server, but it doesn't delete anything. So I > get the advantage of local speed, plus I can access the server from > other machines anywhere else. I'd like to have that with gnus, > eventually. And you can. Its why IMAP is used. When read from one client offlineimap will sync it and it will appear read on others that sync that way too - but you will still have a copy on your other clients or on the server. > >> >> The OP just wants to use emacs to get mail from a remote IMAP(S) server. >> Why turn it into a project? It should take ten minutes, tops, to set >> that up... > > *should* being the operative word, of course. I'm still ironing out > issues after several hours of reading manuals, googling and prowling > mailing lists. Granted, the initial connection to the IMAP server > probably was accomplished in less than a single hour. > > Thanks to all for your comments! > > Tyler > Keep at it. Gnus is a bugger to configure. But when you get there it repays you in spades.