From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Richard Riley Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: c/c++ project management and debugging Date: Fri, 24 Dec 2010 15:32:08 +0100 Organization: aich tea tea pea dicky riley dot net Message-ID: References: <4D0F4058.6050101@gmail.com> <038dfa58-3e80-4c49-bbd0-c1bbb16c41f1@j25g2000vbs.googlegroups.com> <87bp4ex0a4.fsf@kuiper.lan.informatimago.com> <7e99bd12-91df-4cc2-bfc9-576df4c5283b@i18g2000yqn.googlegroups.com> <87k4j2uohx.fsf@kuiper.lan.informatimago.com> <6d58027e-6ed1-41f6-8653-fbcd42236b68@w2g2000yqb.googlegroups.com> <87fwtqums7.fsf@kuiper.lan.informatimago.com> <86126496-de72-4e5c-9443-5cfce30f28ab@15g2000vbz.googlegroups.com> <87vd2jqmnt.fsf@kuiper.lan.informatimago.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1293201703 1415 80.91.229.12 (24 Dec 2010 14:41:43 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 24 Dec 2010 14:41:43 +0000 (UTC) To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Dec 24 15:41:39 2010 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PW8pv-0006qU-9C for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Fri, 24 Dec 2010 15:41:39 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:46751 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1PW8pu-000273-Pi for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Fri, 24 Dec 2010 09:41:38 -0500 Original-Path: usenet.stanford.edu!goblin1!goblin.stu.neva.ru!uio.no!quimby.gnus.org!not-for-mail Original-Newsgroups: gnu.emacs.help Original-Lines: 36 Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 85.183.18.158 Original-X-Trace: quimby.gnus.org 1293201128 17331 85.183.18.158 (24 Dec 2010 14:32:08 GMT) Original-X-Complaints-To: usenet@quimby.gnus.org Original-NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 24 Dec 2010 14:32:08 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: Gnus/5.110011 (No Gnus v0.11) Emacs/23.2 (gnu/linux) Original-Xref: usenet.stanford.edu gnu.emacs.help:183631 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:77868 Archived-At: "Pascal J. Bourguignon" writes: > Richard Riley writes: > >>> - It ships by default with org-mode/calc/games and another thousand >>> things that are not normally in one text editor, who told you it was >>> shipping as an editor? >> >> Because it IS an editor... > > Not exactly. It has been sold as such, I'll admit that, but there's > nothing in emacs that makes the process data type less fundamental than > the buffer data type in emacs. Or any other data type, used by one of > the innumerous applications written in emacs lisp. > > The editor is just one such application, but it has nothing special. It is an editor .. ;) It is other things besides... > >> What different programs? IDE. "Integrated" development >> environment. code, compile, debug, recycle. And all designed to work in >> harmony. > > Well, yes, code, compile, debug, recycle. When you program in lisp (or > one of the newer programming languages so much inspired by lisp it's a > shame), you don't do that. I do a little elisp. And obviously emacs is a "nice IDE" for that. > >> This is starting to sound like me not liking emacs and that is not the >> case. But uninformed opinions about modern IDEs are pretty worthless >> when trying to compare Emacs to the features they provide and possibly >> suggest easy reach Emacs improvements which will greatly increase its >> attraction to new users.