From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Dan Espen Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: custom-themes BAD? Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2014 13:06:18 -0500 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Message-ID: References: > > NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1393351817 11709 80.91.229.3 (25 Feb 2014 18:10:17 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2014 18:10:17 +0000 (UTC) To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Feb 25 19:10:26 2014 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1WIMSX-0001Es-1Z for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Tue, 25 Feb 2014 19:10:25 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:36428 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1WIMSW-0002Is-Ft for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Tue, 25 Feb 2014 13:10:24 -0500 Original-Path: usenet.stanford.edu!news.kjsl.com!feeder.erje.net!eu.feeder.erje.net!eternal-september.org!feeder.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail Original-Newsgroups: gnu.emacs.help Original-Lines: 41 Injection-Info: mx05.eternal-september.org; posting-host="189748f827f5005aa08ac3cba2786117"; logging-data="19403"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX1/vpkmbn6Rp9vBRFA+7vVwhPz6+MVWQkuM=" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.3 (gnu/linux) Cancel-Lock: sha1:ncnvMrvdag1Vfnl+RiGfw5c3iv8= sha1:D7Sg4LdgDAt/gWyMYPM8QofQeEw= Original-Xref: usenet.stanford.edu gnu.emacs.help:203930 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:96199 Archived-At: Drew Adams writes: >> > All the packages should be using font-lock-* faces as far as >> > possible. Then the themes can all set the same set of faces >> > much more easily. >> >> Better yet, packages should define their own faces but use the :inherit >> property to derive them from Emacs' standard faces. That way, users can >> customize faces in some mode/package and use the default ones in others, >> if they prefer. > > Exactly. And it's not just "better *yet*", as if the first > suggestion itself represented some improvement but not the > best improvement. The first approach is generally misguided, IMO. > > It is simply not the case that "all packages should be using > font-lock-* faces as far as possible." That is bad advice, IMO. > Package designers should use their heads, keeping the package users > foremost in mind. > > I also wonder about this part: > >> > Then the themes can all set the same set of faces much more >> > easily. > > Why should I care how easy it is for "themes to set" the same > set of faces? What I care about is how easy it is for users > to customize a set of faces. And for users of themes to control > them. > > Now if it is the case that custom themes are "BAD", in that there > is no easy way to customize a set of faces across multiple > themes, then that would be something missing in the design of > custom themes. That would not surprise me, but I'm no expert on > custom themes. Just looking at the discrepancy between manoj-dark and the other themes should make the problem clear. -- Dan Espen