From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: dkcombs@panix.com (David Combs) Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: CUSTOMIZE: Re: how to turn on showing end of file? Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2009 03:17:09 +0000 (UTC) Organization: Public Access Networks Corp. Message-ID: References: <3051BB28-53B4-41A0-8864-83B9878BF9E7@web.de> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1255318915 18033 80.91.229.12 (12 Oct 2009 03:41:55 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2009 03:41:55 +0000 (UTC) To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Oct 12 05:41:45 2009 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1MxBn7-00066Z-6a for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Mon, 12 Oct 2009 05:41:45 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:43245 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1MxBn6-0005q4-QI for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sun, 11 Oct 2009 23:41:44 -0400 Original-Path: news.stanford.edu!usenet.stanford.edu!panix!not-for-mail Original-Newsgroups: gnu.emacs.help Original-Lines: 44 Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: panix2.panix.com Original-X-Trace: reader1.panix.com 1255317429 22482 166.84.1.2 (12 Oct 2009 03:17:09 GMT) Original-X-Complaints-To: abuse@panix.com Original-NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2009 03:17:09 +0000 (UTC) X-Newsreader: trn 4.0-test76 (Apr 2, 2001) Original-Xref: news.stanford.edu gnu.emacs.help:173774 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:68858 Archived-At: In article , wrote: >PD> I'd simply use the customise interface! Writing Elisp code... >Sorry, for me I hate the customise interface, and can only deal with >(setq ...) stuff. > > I myself have never been able to profitably use the customize interface. MY problem is that, as with many menu-driven gui-interfaces (eg main --> syntax --> foo-words --> regexp-search-for-special-word--FOO ), is that I have no idea how to find anything, no idea of where to even look for something. What would be *really* nice would be a command that, starting at whatever customize-node you're corrently at, would draw (indented text) the entire "subtree" of it, all the way down to the leaf items. AND really nice if also could output a .pdf-file of it -- and if it turned out that same leaf item occurred under several subtrees, so the tree became a directed graph, then via some nifty-clever graph-drawing algorithm (such as at Brown univ's site devoted to them), something we could browse over via mouse, zoom, etc, even print out, scotch-tape pages together, and hang on wall. Plus the probably impossible: when new items added, some kind of (graphic?) diff? Otherwise, for me it's *info* and M-x Occur on the index, that kind of thing. PLEASE -- SOMEONE make customize easier to find things in! Thanks! David