From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Alan Mackenzie Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: Making Emacs more newbie friendly Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2005 21:49:37 +0000 Organization: muc.de e.V. -- private internet access Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1111436657 8192 80.91.229.2 (21 Mar 2005 20:24:17 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2005 20:24:17 +0000 (UTC) Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Mar 21 21:24:16 2005 Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by ciao.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DDTQ8-0004mP-Sa for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Mon, 21 Mar 2005 21:22:41 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DDThI-0006yQ-KY for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Mon, 21 Mar 2005 15:40:24 -0500 Original-Path: shelby.stanford.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news-FFM2.ecrc.net!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!newsfeed01.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!news.csl-gmbh.net!informatik.tu-muenchen.de!news.muc.de!not-for-mail Original-Newsgroups: gnu.emacs.help Original-Lines: 41 Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: acm.muc.de Original-X-Trace: marvin.muc.de 1111435848 63861 193.149.49.134 (21 Mar 2005 20:10:48 GMT) Original-X-Complaints-To: news-admin@muc.de Original-NNTP-Posting-Date: 21 Mar 2005 20:10:48 GMT User-Agent: tin/1.4.5-20010409 ("One More Nightmare") (UNIX) (Linux/2.0.35 (i686)) Original-Xref: shelby.stanford.edu gnu.emacs.help:129528 Original-To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org X-MailScanner-To: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:25079 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.help:25079 David Kastrup wrote on Sun, 20 Mar 2005 18:44:12 +0100: > Brian Elmegaard writes: >> David Kastrup writes: >> A look and feel like winedt or eclipse but with the possibility for >> the conventional emacs look and access to all the emacs modes and >> features would be close to a perfect world for me. ...Whatever those programs look like and feel like. Given that this is an Emacs group, it's reasonable to expect people to know Emacs, at least a bit. But please, _describe_ these exotic unknown programs rather than just referring to them. A lot of people here, possibly most, _don't_ know winedt and eclipse. > The constant general babbling about look-and-feel is completely > fruitless. Only specific proposals can be implemented. >> I have no idea what it would take of programming efforts, but as >> long the horisontal scroll is not available, I am speaking about a >> project of eons. > hscroll-mode is an interactive autoloaded Lisp function in `hscroll'. > (hscroll-mode &optional ARG) > This function is obsolete. > Emacs now does hscrolling automatically, if `truncate-lines' is non-nil. > Also see `automatic-hscrolling'. I think the man wants a horizontal scroll bar. I also have a sneaking suspicion you're aware of this, David. ;-) I think a horizontal scroll bar in Emacs would be popular, though I wouldn't enable it for myself. > -- > David Kastrup, Kriemhildstr. 15, 44793 Bochum -- Alan Mackenzie (Munich, Germany) Email: aacm@muuc.dee; to decode, wherever there is a repeated letter (like "aa"), remove half of them (leaving, say, "a").